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Offline Suttonrog

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Old velum scrap
« on: Friday 06 August 10 13:35 BST (UK) »
I am having an old bible rebound and this scrap of velum was used to reinforce the spine.

If it is comtemporary with the Bible it is Elizabethan.

My questions are:
1. Can anyone date it?
2. Can anyone confirm it is Latin?
3. I know it is too small to decipher but can anyone make out any words?

Thanks

Rog

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #1 on: Friday 06 August 10 13:43 BST (UK) »
No idea sorry, but I'm hoping it was a secret message hidden down the spine?  :o

Did your 'rebinder' tell you it was used as reinforcement? I suppose nothing would have been wasted so it makes sense that a bit of scrap was used in the spine. I'll be very interested to see if anyone can decipher it.

Are you saying that the bible is Elizabethan?  :o

If so, it's a bit of a shame that it's being rebound - isn't there any way it can be restored instead? Maybe a museum could advise on the best thing to do so the integrity of the bible isn't compromised.

Is this something you bought or inherited? Either way, lucky you!  :)

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #2 on: Friday 06 August 10 13:52 BST (UK) »

It does seem common practice though. I also have an old family Bible that is literally falling apart at the seams. There's a reinforcing strip down the spine with some quite obscure writing on it - nothing as clear as this though! The text appears to be in Latin but is extremely worn and faded.

Be interesting to follow other peoples thoughts on this.

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #3 on: Friday 06 August 10 14:01 BST (UK) »
Thanks your your comments.

The bible is a first edition English 1576 printing of a Breeces bible from Ebay. It was all there but in terrible condition and falling apart.

When I say it is being rebound - I should have being expertly restored using all the original bits. It has takene 18 months to get to putting it back together.

Rog

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 August 10 14:02 BST (UK) »
I might be being stupid or naive but are you sure you have it the right way round?

Only say that because there seem to be quite a few swirls which looks like 'y's back to front  ???

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Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 August 10 14:05 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Suttonrog on Friday 06 August 10 14:01 BST (UK)
Thanks your your comments.

The bible is a first edition English 1576 printing of a Breeces bible from Ebay. It was all there but in terrible condition and falling apart.

When I say it is being rebound - I should have being expertly restored using all the original bits. It has takene 18 months to get to putting it back together.

Rog

How fascinating Rog! And it's very beautiful - thanks for showing us the picture. I'm glad you're having it done properly.  ;D

(Was it expensive?  ;))

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 August 10 14:12 BST (UK) »
OK OK I am stupid...

It does look more likely as originally posted.  Sorry.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 August 10 14:15 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Suttonrog on Friday 06 August 10 13:35 BST (UK)
I am having an old bible rebound and this scrap of velum was used to reinforce the spine.

If it is comtemporary with the Bible it is Elizabethan.

My questions are:
1. Can anyone date it?
2. Can anyone confirm it is Latin?
3. I know it is too small to decipher but can anyone make out any words?


Can't help Im afraid, but posted to follow as very interesting

Cas
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Re: Old velum scrap
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 August 10 14:21 BST (UK) »
Josey,

You are not being stupid - in my viewer it is the right way round but it has  mirrored. Trying again.

Ruskie - it was cheap as it was posted in the wrong area and badly desribed. They are a fortune now.

Rog

Sorry - it was the right way round
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