Hi Anna, I got the records from a book I have called, 'The History of Ancient Haywood.' But all this information is available at Stafford Archives. John Ormes could have been Wm's father? No it's not easy. There are also Land Tax Records for this period, circa 1780 - 1830 which lists all the Rent Payers and Land Owners, may be worth looking at those and find all the Ormes in the Colwich/Haywood area. Because one Thomas was baptised at Colton and the other at Colwich is not a good enough reason to claim him as yours, if you see what I mean! One of them may have died, this is where you also need to search the Parish Registers for burials, sorry, but Pre 1837 it is not easy! Best Wishes from Linell.