Surgeon in 1830's

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NOW I have just received a marriage cert for my C.A.Green  who I had presumed 'base born'  as no birth cert found ... he was born in 1835 Brixworth and named Annis Marshall Green......
Following him through the census... he changes his name a couple of times... he is in 1841 as Annis Green and then I found him in as Annis Green in Hinckley .. after which he is down as Charles Annis Green....
Now the 1851 he states born in Middlesex Harrow... so I wasnt convinced it was him... but in the next house ... is his future wife...

I think he may have altered things to suit his circumstances...  Or I have two totally different people.....
ANYWAY  this marriage cert shows a FATHER   !!!!! and he is named as Thomas Green SURGEON!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Did he make this up  or is there such a person... How do I find out .........Or can I find out. 

Xin

[stanmapstone]

As you probably know there were no birth certificates before July 1837 

Stan

[toni*]

if  he was base born the Marshall could be his mothers maiden name?

[toni*]

you need to find his christening

http://www.friendsofbrixworthchurch.org.uk/The%20Church.htm

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Looking at the original Parish Records it states.

I have this from a previous   search.. so
thats what set me on to Annis Green

Brixworth Parish Church Baptism

Pg. 94. No. 750
Decr 25th 1835
Annis Marshall Son of ELizabeth Green Brixworth Illegitimate.

xin 
 
 
 

[Valda]

Hi

Whoever his father was he would unlikely to have been Thomas Green - Thomas somebody else perhaps or the whole thing could have been fabricated with Thomas the name of another maternal male relative. He gave Green on his marriage because for propritey's sake on his marriage he didn't want it to show he was illegitimate by giving another surname for his father.

The evidence shows he changed his name and his place of birth on the 1851 census (unless an error) so it that might suggest the information he gives on documents may not necessarily be reliable. His father might have been a surgeon, or he might not. He might have been called Thomas or he might not.

Unless his mother sought maintenance payments for the child (and there may have been a private arrangement or no payments were sought) through the Petty Sessions (magistrated court) and those records have survived - Petty Sessions records don't always, you really don't have anything to go on to search for his father. This is an example where some of the Petty Sessions records were covered by the county newspaper and have been transcribed (not many transcriptions around)

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/bastardy_1849.html

Regards

Valda

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UUUHm  I have given this man an awful lot of lee-way so far cos he is my g..g grandfather..........and in need of my respect.............

But I am beginning to think he was a 'serial fabricator'........... for want of a stronger word...
I presumed he had to marry in a hurry cos first child born in 1857 ... but he married in Jan and the child was born in December.... so no.... Maybe he chose Thomas because his future wife's father was Thomas... but WHY SURGEON!!!?   maybe just to impress...
I expected to receive the cert with no father named.. and would have settled with that.. But this is very interesting...
He was a little fib.... I think....

I now have all of (more than likely correct) ...Elizabeth Greens details... and due to the fact that in the 1871 or 61 CAG has a sister visiting him with the name of Burford... I guess all that is correct. 
So his mother was Elizabeth Green daughter  of William  born Northampton... eventually married a Burford... and moved down to Kent area.....*****

And his father well who knows... will rest on that for a while.. unless suddenley someone comes up with a Thomas Green surgeon from Northampton area...

thanks for all input and help

xin 

ps ******So CAG must have been in touch with her .. otherwise his sister would not have visited him .....?

[Valda]

Hi

I'm sure there will be Thomas Greens in Northamptonshire who were connected to the medical profession. Green is a common surname. However because Charles Annis Green was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Green, they won't be his father unless in the unlikely event he was also called Green. Charles took his mother's surname not his father's.

Regards

Valda

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Yep   understand that... so  its on the back boiler   for a week or two... I have all the relevant certs now to give some kind of confirmation to who his mother was -- So that is a lot more than I had hoped.. 

Thanks EVERYONE who has helped me (even tho I am loooooosing it)

Xin