1800's street locations

[gheel]

Hi
I have found some street names on the census and have tried to google map them to see where they are but I'm not sure of where they are today. Can anyone help?

1861 Census for Frederick Oram b. 1845 Hertford

Looks like Hain Road West or Harn Road West
Civil Parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish:  All Saints
County:  Surrey

1871 Census

8 Wilson Street
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County: London

1881 Census

20 Manor Stree
Civil Parish: Newington
County: London

1891 Census

6 Victoria Road
Civil Parish: Camberwell
Town: Peckham
County: London

I'm in Australia and fairly new at researching so am very unsure of all the different parishes and counties in England. Thank you for your help

[Eidde]

Hi gheel

Could the Kingston one be Ham? I used to live not far from Kingston and there’s a Lower Ham Rd. (It runs North-South though, so I don’t know where the West would come in!) Then there’s a Ham St in Ham itself, just North of Kingston.

As for Wilson St, it could be the one within the City of London near Moorgate (where I used to work), just north of the Bank of England – a couple of miles from St Pancras. Try googling Wilson St London EC2

Eddie

[Eidde]

There was a Ham Road West in Kingston - see

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Kingston_Registration_District,_1861_Census_Street_Index_S-T

Eddie

[Valda]

Hi

Victoria Road Camberwell changed to Dulwich Wood Park
Wilson Street Pancras to Coley Street (just off Grays Inn Road - the address given on the census)

Not sure about Manor Street? Newington in 1881 - can't see it in 1881. Can you check that one again please.

The Ham Road West had disappeared (been renamed?) by the time of the 1871 census, because it doesn't appear on that census according to the 'Historical Streets Project'


Regards

Valda

[gheel]

Thank you Eidde & Valda

Had another look at the 1881 census and it was Manor Road. Does that make a difference?

Do any of these streets still exist?

Thanks
Gail

[Valda]

Hi

You can find both the street names that were given on Google maps

In a city of millions of people with thousands of streets some of which will have similar names yes it does make a big difference
In London three Manor Streets changed their names in 1912 and eight Manor Roads changed their names between 1912 and 1929. One of those was in Newington. The name change was to Carter Street. The street shows clearly on Google maps as well. Google will also show you modern day photographs

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en-GB&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4HPEA_en-GBGB236GB236&tab=wl


Regards

Valda

[Jeuel]

You can also look at the enumeration description on ancestry which will tell you the names of adjacent or nearby streets to help pinpoint the area.

[Gossip64]

Further to this enquiry re Manor Street, I believe it is Manor Place in Walworth, in South London. This the area know as Newington for Family history researcher.

If you Google Manor Place Baths theres a lot of info on there regarding the Baths, it had a swimming pool and ladies and gents baths which people used to visit when they didn't have a bath in their own home.

Some of the commments on there may give an idea of times past, there is also a map which shows how the baths are located, I don't know about the numbering of the houses in the street.

Hope this is of some interest
Gossip64

[Valda]

Hi

The census address will either state Manor Road or Manor Place. They were very close to each other but different streets. That may account for the later name change of the smaller of the two which was Manor Road to stop any confusion between them. If you use Google map 'get Directions' and put in Manor Place Newington and then Carter Street you can see how close they were. Walworth was an area in the Parish of Newington

On the 1881 census it looks like these two piece numbers though Manor Place being longer may be in more than one piece number

RG11 552
RG11 538

see parish map for Newington

http://www.eastsurreyfhs.org.uk/parishes/parish_map.htm

Manor Place Baths wasn't opened until 16th March 1898


Regards

Valda