62 South Molton St - Not listed :(

[Nick29]

Who was actually the informant on the birth certificate, and how long after the birth was it registered ?   Parents had 6 weeks to register a birth, and if it was not the parent who actually registered the birth, the details may have been confused.

[hannah9000]

Hi Nick, he was born on 27/08/1901 and registered on 19/09/1901...

[Valda]

Hi

Does it actually state on his birth certificate his mother was Emily Lena King or just Emily King? There will unfortunately be a lot of Emily Kings and she could have just arrived before the birth to have the child as anonymously as possible.

Uplyme is on the Devon/Dorset county boundary near Lyme Regis about 34 miles away from Wiveliscombe

If it says he was born a 62 Moulton Street then he wasn't born in a hospital.

This is where the records are held for St George's Hospital

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=176&hospital=st+george&town=&searchdatabase.x=102&searchdatabase.y=6


According to the database The London Metropolitan Archives hold the admission and discharge registers for the period - no-one seems to hold the clinical and patients' records for the period but if they exist the LMA should know where they are.

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/


It looks like there was an attempt by Emily to register her child as legitimate (often successful done by mothers but on this occasion the registrar spotted it hence the crossing out of the father's name)

'This situation lasted until the Registration Act of 1875 where the instruction read "The putative father of an illegitimate child cannot be required as father to give information respecting the birth. The name, surname and occupation of the putative father of an illegitimate child must not be entered except at the joint request of the father and mother; in which case both the father and mother must sign the entry as informants". There are therefore 3 kinds of entry after this Act:
(1) Described above
(2) Described above
(3) Where the parents are not married to one another but both attended the register office together, fathers details are entered in Column 4 and Column 6 and both parents sign. Looked at a different way - if both parents have signed in Column 7 regardless of what names they are using then the parents were not married to one another at the time of the birth of the child. '

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/births.htm

What information is found on James Russell King's marriage certificate?


Regards

Valda

[hannah9000]

Valda,

The birth certificate says the mother is Emily King. I'm afraid I think Emily Lena King is a different person.
I can't find James Russell King's marriage certificate as I don't know who he was married to. The closest match I can find is a James King, married to an Emily Cottrell with a daughter called Emily also who would be about the right age. And the records are all based in the Kensington area of London which would be about right. But i've no way of confirming this.

I had a thought, could Emily have been residing at 62 S.Molton St illegally? ie squatting? I want to identify this woman so I can see when she died and if she married/had more children before she died!!

I live in Somerset, and Uplyme/Lyme Regis is my local beach so I know the area well.

[Valda]

Hi

How have you proved (without going into any details about the living) that this man is your g grandfather

'I can't find James Russell King's marriage certificate as I don't know who he was married to. The closest match I can find is a James King, married to an Emily Cottrell with a daughter called Emily also who would be about the right age.'


Regards

Valda

[Richard Knott]

Similar threads:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,472907.msg3326521.html#msg3326521

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,472778.msg3325380.html#msg3325380

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,471779.msg3317872.html#msg3317872

One of the threads says that the crossed out entry says RUS... whereas another says KIN... Which is it? Much more likely to be the former.

Richard

[hannah9000]

Lewis Russell King is my g grandfather. He is who's certificate I've got. And he still has 3 daughters alive, one of whom I went to see yesterday. I have his old school books and attendance records for the school he went to in Uplyme. And a copy of a postcard he wrote to his wife before they married.
James Russell King is the assumed father of Emily due to the name that has been entered on the certificate and then crossed out. Again, this may be completely wrong.

Should I just lay this one to rest and accept i'm going to get no-where? The only issue with that is that I have a non defeatable attitude! I'll just be more determined to find out more!

[heywood]

see this other thread too
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,472907.msg3326521.html#msg3326521

Lewis Russell King is the grandfather. (this post crossed with yours hannah- sorry)

As Valda says, at the moment, it looks as though Emily was trying to register her child as legitimate.
James Russell King may be totally or partially an invented name.

There is no place on the certificate for her own father's name - did she register the birth?

[hannah9000]

Thanks Heywood,

Yes she registered the birth. And stated her address as the topic title. Am I allowed to put up a picture of the birth certificate?