Trying to find Benjamin Glover

[bencarta]

Hi folks.

I'm having terrible trouble tracing a certain Benjamin Glover. I know the following:

Married to Mary, he worked at Nantyglo Ironworks, and was dead by 1851 (census). His younger daughter, Ann, was baptised at the English Methodist chapel in Nantyglo in January 1830. his elder daughter, Eliza, married John Munday in 1844, then Samuel Smith in the 1850s.

Can anyone suggest a good place to track down Benjamin's death? IGI has nothing, nor does the FreeBMD death index.

Thanks guys.

[RCB]

Looks like Ben was dead before 1841(I imagine you've seen this)
1841 census
address - David's buildings, Llanelly, Brecon.
John Munday 25 miner
Mary Munday 30
Elizabeth Glover 14
Ann Glover 10

None born in county, and as there are no more children after Ann it's likely Ben died in the early 1830's?  So his death wouldn't be registered other than possibly in parish records pre 1837

[osprey]

marriage was registered march qtr 1839 Abergavenny vol 26 pg 39 - John Munday & Mary Glover are the only 2 on the page.

[bencarta]

Thanks, guys. I already had this info.

The thing I'm trying to get my haed around is that John Munday also married Eliza Glover in 1844 (it's definitely the same two people as are on the 1841 census, as Mary and Ann are still listed  as living with them on the 1851 census.

Surely it's a bit far-fetched to suggest that he married the mother and then, 5 years later, the daughter? How many taboos would that break today, let alone in Victorian times?

[osprey]

Do you have borth marriage certificates to see if the details for the JOhns match? Mary is Glover on the 1851 census, so could there have been a reason why the marriage was not vaild? Benjamin not dead?

 

[bencarta]

I've now received the two marriage certificates referred to above, and feel there is a possibility that the two grooms might be the same person because, in spite of their occupations being different, their fathers' names match. Only the 1839 marriage lists father's occupation for either partner, though.

Where the two brides are concerned, the only thing I can tell for definite is that they weren't sisters. Mary Glover (1839 wedding) was a widow, the daughter of a collier named Joseph Spate. However, Eliza Glover (1844 wedding) was a spinster and, as I already knew, the daughter of Benjamin Glover, although she doesn't state his occupation on the wedding certificate.

The 1839 wedding took place in the parish church in Llanwenarth, ehreas the 1844 wedding took place at St George's chapel in Tredegar.

I'm now even more confused than before. Any ideas as to where I go from here?

[osprey]

have you tried looking for a marriage between Mary Spate or variant & a Mr Glover?

There is a possible in St Peter, Wolverhampton IGI extracted batch M010201

Benjamin Glover married Mary Spuit 19/5/1823

It may be worth getting a copy of the parish record to see if witness names help.