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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #261 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:06 BST (UK) »
The scanned page of the diary quote pretty conclusively puts the diary in the dhands of the writer - the same person who quotes from a later diary?

Yep, it's the same person who quotes from the diary in the 1914 "Notes and Queries", although that one seems to be from the elusive 1848 diary instead. If the online N&Q search function is complete then it seems that those are the only two occasions he quotes from one of NB's diaries, sadly. Or at least the only two where he refers to NB by his surname.

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The diary on ebay - the bist I read sounded like she had god pretty bad.....

Yeah based on the bits I could decipher I don't think that one would make for a very exciting serialisation.  I guess it proves that diaries aren't inherently fascinating, but only as interesting as the person writing it.  NB is a bit odd, but that's part of the appeal imho. Although even the eBay one doubtless contains vaulable info buried in there somewhere.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #262 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:07 BST (UK) »
Aleck Abrahams seems to have been contributing to N&Q since 1902. I'm thinking that had he he owned the diaries before 1911 something from them would have appeared before. The diarist was recorded as C Bryceson which is either a transcription mistake, or perhaps Mr Abraham made a mistake as they were new to him?

The interesting thing about diaries is how people see them through time. Mr Abrahams was an antiquarian, he was using them for what Nat wrote about the changing topography of London. I don't suppose he was interested in Nat's private life, which is what we are more interested in today.

When James Woodforde's eighteenth century diary was first abridged and published in the 1920s, it was done as a kind of celebration of "Olde England" A lot of the emphasis was on food and his social life. Most of the diaries entries about buying things was left out - now there is more interest in his domestic life, his servants and  the accounts - the things he bought and how much was paid for them.






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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #263 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:08 BST (UK) »
Aleck Abrahams seems to have been contributing to N&Q since 1902. I'm thinking that had he he owned the diaries before 1911 something from them would have appeared before. The diarist was recorded as C Bryceson which is either a transcription mistake, or perhaps Mr Abraham made a mistake as they were new to him?

The interesting thing about diaries is how people see them through time. Mr Abrahams was an antiquarian, he was using them for what Nat wrote about the changing topography of London. I don't suppose he was interested in Nat's private life, which is what we are more interested in today.

When James Woodforde's eighteenth century diary was first abridged and published in the 1920s, it was done as a kind of celebration of "Olde England" A lot of the emphasis was on food and his social life. Most of the diaries entries about buying things was left out - now there is more interest in his domestic life, his servants and  the accounts - the things he bought and how much was paid for them.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #264 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:09 BST (UK) »
Sorry - not sure what I did then!!!! ;D

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #265 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:15 BST (UK) »
Does anyone get what Notes and Queries is all about? To me it just looks like random odd little articles in no particular order written by various people.  :-\

I think I need to read more to find out ....

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #266 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:23 BST (UK) »
Does anyone get what Notes and Queries is all about? To me it just looks like random odd little articles in no particular order written by various people.  :-\

I think I need to read more to find out ....

Well, the description on the front page of each edition sheds a bit of light (see scan.)

The reference to intercommunication suggests to me that it was in some ways a very early precursor to a message board such as this one.  People could write about any odd things they'd found, or that they needed more info on, and others would contribute whatever they could in return. If you page through enough issues (and I've gone through a few by now) then there are threads of conversation like you would have a thread on a modern forum / message board. It's quite fascinating actually. Imagine if - instead of clicking 'reply' - you had to write out your response by hand, stick a stamp on it, and then head for the post box.  And then wait a few weeks to see if anyone had responded...


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #267 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 14:34 BST (UK) »
I must have missed the reference to a diary on ebay?  what's that about? found it...sorry :)
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #268 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 15:15 BST (UK) »
Does anyone get what Notes and Queries is all about? To me it just looks like random odd little articles in no particular order written by various people.  :-\

I think I need to read more to find out ....

Well, the description on the front page of each edition sheds a bit of light (see scan.)

The reference to intercommunication suggests to me that it was in some ways a very early precursor to a message board such as this one.  People could write about any odd things they'd found, or that they needed more info on, and others would contribute whatever they could in return. If you page through enough issues (and I've gone through a few by now) then there are threads of conversation like you would have a thread on a modern forum / message board. It's quite fascinating actually. Imagine if - instead of clicking 'reply' - you had to write out your response by hand, stick a stamp on it, and then head for the post box.  And then wait a few weeks to see if anyone had responded...



Thank you Ian - that's very helpful. I was almost correct.  ;)

Is N&Q on Google books? I wouldn't mind looking through some.  :)

I love the little quote from Captain Cuttle.  ;D That explains it very clearly.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #269 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 15:24 BST (UK) »
Is N&Q on Google books? I wouldn't mind looking through some.  :)

Don't know about Google Books; but a lot of them are on archive.org; here's the 1911 one I quoted from earlier:

http://www.archive.org/stream/s11notesqueries04londuoft#page/n3/mode/2up

It's extremely hard work to search for a specific edition on there though due to sheer quantity and the haphazard way they're labelled.

If you look through the index at the end you can see a lot of contributors just use their initials; again there's a similarity to message boards and the idea of a "screen name."