The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)

[Siamese Girl]

The only thing I can think of for I after Tailor is independent - he worked for himself rather than someone else? His job does explain his later back problems.

The fact that Mary can't be found on the 1841 census makes me think that it's possible she was away and Nathaniel was left living with the Vaggs. I'd love to know who educated Nat and where - in 1841 he's at the right age to be at school. There are quite a mix of occupations in Richmond Buildings including Isaac Sampson and his family. Isaac was a school teacher - perhaps he tutored Nat?

Carole

[Siamese Girl]

Thinking outside the box:

Looking at the 1841 census again - who is the Mary Brycson aged 20 Independent  living with a Marion Bagg 30 dressmaker b. Scotland and her children George 4 and Marion 2 in William Street St Pancras H01017 piece 648 folio 12/39 page 73 ? The only Mary Bryceson of that age I can find is Mary who is living with her parents William and Mary in Hackney and she is on the census with them, so it isn’t her.


Perhaps there is a mistake on the census with the age of the Mary living with Marion Bagg?

Carole

[Siamese Girl]

George Bagg married Marion Bryceson (Ancestry has her as Bryerson) 4 July 1836 St Pancras both OTP one of the witnesses was H Bryceson - the signature is exactly the same as the H Bryceson who witnessed Mary Shephards marriage to John Bryceson in 1818. The other witness to the Bagg marriage was --- (I can't read the initial) White.

Right - so that's Henry Bryceson organ maker and presumably Marion was his daughter - is this odd Mary another daughter of his? Or did "our" Mary keep up some links with the Brycesons and the census has her age wrong The Mary Bryceson living with Marion Bagg was supposed to have been born in Middlesex. 

Sorry for all this thinking out loud .... I'm very        

Carole

[Daisy Loo]

Just to add...there was a diary entry that the Marshall's were moving out, and that Granny Shepard was seeing about moving in...I understood that NB & Granny took over the rooms the Marshall's had.

[MaryA]

Matthew Ward (and some of the others) is a Tailor I - what is the I for? 

I believe these "I's" are probably J for Journeyman.

[Siamese Girl]

Matthew Ward (and some of the others) is a Tailor I - what is the I for? 

I believe these "I's" are probably J for Journeyman.

I think you've got it!

Carole

[Dinkydidy]

Struck by the similar sounds of Bagg and Vagg. I don't suppose there's a mis-spelled relationship there? Which might explain Nathaniel being left with a rellie?

Bit late for these kinds of musings, but....

[Ruskie]

Matthew Ward (and some of the others) is a Tailor I - what is the I for? 

I believe these "I's" are probably J for Journeyman.

I think you've got it!

Carole

I originally thought they may be J's too, but I think a few pages over there is  "J" which actually looks like a J with the tail going below the line .... so I'm still not sure.

Carole, I like your thinking aloud. You've made some really interesting discoveries.

The trouble with the possible Bagg/Vagg confusion is that the Catherine Vagg who appears to be wife of Richard Vagg in the 1841 census, appears as a widow on the 1851 census - surname Vagg. And there is that death for a Richard Vagg in 1844. 

But there are some interesting coincidences especially the signature of H Bryceson.

[Ruskie]

Just to add...there was a diary entry that the Marshall's were moving out, and that Granny Shepard was seeing about moving in...I understood that NB & Granny took over the rooms the Marshall's had.

Yes I remember it but can't rmember when it was just to check.

When I was ferreting around in May's entries earlier today, I was interested to see how verbose Nathaniel was in May compared to the entries we're getting now.