The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)

[Siamese Girl]

I'm sure all the signatures on both marriage are by all the individuals involved - it's that darn copperplate handwriting that makes it difficult to differentiate between them. The two H Bryceson signatures are not exactly the same - but not that different, so I still think it's the same man.

I think Independant covered all kinds of things on the census - from 'I have a very large private income' to 'mind-you-own-business' I know I'm trying to get "our" Mary to fit the census - but then, we're also thinking Nathaniel is recorded as Nathaniel Vagg 



Carole

[Ruskie]

Yes, I know the copperplate makes signatures look similar. There weren't many H Brycesons in London so it is likely to be the same guy. However the "H's" are formed differently. 

I think it was Deb who pointed out to me that all the writing on all the marriages on the page including the Shepard/Bryceson marriage are the same.

I'll have another look. 

[Ruskie]

I'm sure all the signatures on both marriage are by all the individuals involved - it's that darn copperplate handwriting that makes it difficult to differentiate between them. The two H Bryceson signatures are not exactly the same - but not that different, so I still think it's the same man.
Carole

I've had another look and compared the signatures of H Bryceson on both marriages.
To my eye I think these letters differ quite a lot:
the 'H'
the 'B'
the 'r'
and the 'n'

[deb usa]

Hi

I have been going through the London Marriages for Bryceson people. A lot of them have been filled in and signed by the Curate 

Looking at Nathaniel's marriage to Sarah there is a witness: Maria Long.

I have found a Maria Long (52 single) in 1861 ...living at 16 DEAN STREET  with the Hill Family.
Maria's occ is dressmaker
Henry Hill is a tailor

I wonder if she was a friend of Mary Ward, his mother.

1851 ..Maria and her sister, Arabella, are still at 16 Dean street.

deb

[Siamese Girl]

I must be looking at something different as I can't see the marriage entries have been filled in by the same person 

The signature of the Henry Bryceson who married Louisa Gray in 1821 is definitely the same H Bryceson who witnessed John Bryceson's marriage to Mary Shephard in 1818. The marriage between George Bagg and Marion Bryceson doesn't take place until 1836 - quite some time after the first two.

Henry Bryceson of electric organ fame now appears to have his own Wiki entry. His actual birth date doesn't tie up with the census returns - he was born 8 Jan 1775 in Perth Scotland (IGI) and died in June 1870 in Huntingdon.

He was the son of John Bryceson and Anna Mackie (probably Ann Bryceson buried St James Pentonville 13 Jan 1827 aged 82) His siblings were John born 1767, Catherine 1768, William 1771 and Walter 1773.

I thought that Henry and William on the 1841 census were brothers but I now think William was his nephew and he was bapt 20 March 1796 at St Andrew Holborn s/o William Bryceson and Mary Whiting. There was also Ralph Wilson born 1802 and Mary Ann b.1804 It now get tricky as there is another family born to a William Bryceson and Margaret Peacock. I’m thinking this is a second marriage - Marian born 1807 in Edinburgh (who must have married George Bagg) Thomas Peacock b 1810 Scotch Church Westminster, John b. 1815 Scotch Church and Ann Bapt at St James Pentonville in 1818 - this is the church where all the early Bryceson burials took place - John Bryceson, “our” Mary’s husband in 1824 (born about 1785), Thomas Peacock in 1826 (born about 1810, Margaret in 1828 (born about 1779)  and William in 1835 (born about 1771).

All I have to do is fit “our” John Bryceson in there somewhere!

Carole

[ShaunJ]

This should help explain the William Bryceson line Carole. William junior's daughter Annie became a Mormon and wrote up the history of her direct line. She married Lashbrook Laker and they emigrated to the US. One of her descendants wrote a book entitled "William Bryceson 1796-1878 of London, England : (a guide to further research on the Brycesons)"

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=524625&disp=William+Bryceson+1796-1878+of+London%2C+En

Also see:

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.northam.usa.states.idaho.counties.bearlake/108/mb.ashx

[ShaunJ]

Note that a number of the William Bryceson family are buried at St James Pentonville. The John Bryceson who died in 1824 aged 39 is buried there too  - probably not a coincidence?

[deb usa]

Hi Carole

great searching on  your part !

When I look at Mary Shepard's marriage to John Bryceson ....

Both Mary Sheppard and John Sheppard look like they have the same handwriting ...look at the flourish on the "d" of Sheppard.

Also where her name is filled in as "Mary Sheppard of this parish" ...look at the downward and upward stroke of the "y" in Mary ..then look at the signature part of Mary.



John Tillotson was the Curate ...If you look at all the entries on that page it looks like Tillotson filled everything in himself.

[deb usa]

Another thing to note is that on the marriage ...Sheppard is spelt with 2 p's ... I thought NB spelled Granny's name with one ..... I could be wrong though. 

Wouldn't John and Mary have known how to spell their names?

deb

added ... or Maybe John and Mary had the same teacher who taught them to write