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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #270 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 16:31 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone

Nice to meet you drykid ...thanks for your interesting finds on N&Q ...I too have read articles in the books ...ones not related to NB ... sometimes I got lost in them for hours .... fascinating articles.


I am still trying to figure out who the nurserymaid was....

so back to the Lea family

In 1851 Clara Lea and sister Harriet (hannah in 1861)  were living with their Grandfather, William W Dell, Fund holder, 55, b Enfield at 5 Augustus Squ(are), St Pancras.


Also in 1851 George (31 b St Pancras)  and Anna M (26, b Holborn) Lea are living at 11 Little Queen Street, George is a lighterman. So where are George D bc 1847 and Jessie M bc 1849.

I did spot a George Lea as an inmate of a workhouse in 1851.

why wouldn't the other children be with Granddad Dell as well?


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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #271 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 16:42 BST (UK) »
'Notes and Queries' was very helpful to me, as someone had gone around writing down all the tomb inscriptions in the church of St Nicholas, Deptford. It was done in the early 1900s but was only found among the papers of an officer who had been killed in the First World War and submitted to Notes and Queries in the 1920s. He'd transcribed the inscription of what he called an 'altar tomb' which listed all the deceased children of my 4x great grandfather who had died before the censuses began. It was a brilliant find for me, and I gladly paid the £4 or whatever it was to access the Oxford University Press website and see it. I now note it's available for free on some other website!

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #272 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 16:51 BST (UK) »
ooo that's so cool Aniseed ...


Found Jessie Lea in 1851 transcribes as JOSIE Lea

She is 2, b Middlesex, London and a visitor in the home of Thomas and Charlotte WHYTE ... (coincidence??)
address: Kew Wharf Road, St Anne's , Kew

ummm all the kids not at home with George and Anna Matilda .... bad times for George ?

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #273 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 16:56 BST (UK) »
Or maybe a new baby was expected? I know children got sent away when their mothers were due to give birth, sometimes. Interesting find though, Deb.


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #274 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 17:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Aniseed

In 1861 they also have a 1year old dau ...Minnie Gertrude b in Surrey ...Minnie is with her sister Jessie M in 1891, i Think, both single!

I can't see George and anna Matilda's other children's baptisms on the London PRs ...Clara is there !

I thought it would be interesting to see George's address circa 1846/7.
Clara's = Nothumberland Wharf

the other children POB = Pimlico (except for Minnie) ... so why can't I see their baptisms ...?

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #275 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 17:08 BST (UK) »
In 1844 the parnership between George Lea and his brother Thomas who were then jointly running the coal merchants business at Northumberland Wharf Augustus Street, Regents Park was dissolved (I reckon Thomas thought it wise to get out before George took them both down) George was declared bankrupt at the end of 1850 and the lawyers were dealing with his creditors in 1851.On 12 August 1851 George was of Eccleston Coal Wharf Upper Belgrave Place Pimlico and his home address was Belgrave Cottage Nunhead Lane Peckham Rye. I reckon the bankruptcy was the reason why the family were spread around at the time of the 1851 census.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #276 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 17:15 BST (UK) »
I think it's probable that George Lea and family were living at Eccleston wharf in 1846.

As has been mentioned, Clara's baptism in 1844 shows that they were then living at Northumberland Wharf.
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #277 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 17:35 BST (UK) »
Now here's a funny thing.

If I have the right family, George Lea by 1871, aged 51, has become a "physician New York US" and is living with Anna Matilda, 40, and daughter Minnie Gertrude aged 11 in Chumleigh Street, Camberwell RG10/736 /74/ 26.

Anna Matilda's 1881 probate index entry refers to her husband as George Lea MD.

Clara's marriage record (to Charles Anckorn 27 December  1866 at St Mary, Newington) shows her father's occupation as MD. Witnesses are George Dancer Lea and Harriett Leo.   

 
 
 
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)
« Reply #278 on: Wednesday 11 August 10 17:43 BST (UK) »
It's possible that they may have moved between Clara's Birth/Baptism and the others. I was just hoping if we could find a baptism closer to 1846 .... hope that make sense  :-\


Clara is registered in St Pancras whereas Jessie Matilda lea is registered in a different area:

Jessie Matilda Lea
Sept q 1848
St George Hanover Square, London, Middlesex
1 13


George bc 1847 goes through his life using the middle initial "D" ...possibly for DELL ... can't see his birth.

deb

red post ....OOOOO Very INTERESTING, Shaun .... how could he have been a lighterman to MD ??
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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