The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 5)

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi all,

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

I've been keeping a watching brief on your wonderful progress and you seem to have a problem in finding out who is buried in the Bryceson grave because of the poor condition of the headstone.

I can't remember if anyone has the plot reference which shows where the plot is located, but if we have it then the local Council should have Plot Registers, as well as Burial Registers, and that would have details of all the occupants this plot. It should give name, age, date of burial and a reference to the entry in the appropriate burial register for each person buried in that plot.

It is also possible that a local library may have films of the registers.

Waiting for the 9th,
Colin

[deb usa]

Colin

Welcome ...you are so NOT butting in! 


The only reference to the gravesite is what Mongibello posted ... unfortunately some of us cannot help becuase of distance but I am sure Steven will be happy to hear of your info.

deb also waiting for the 9th which will be the 8th here !!!! LOL 

[Ruskie]

Hi Colin, You're most welcome to join us!  

Mongibello found the burial references for both Nathaniels back towards the end of Part 4 I think. I was hoping there may be some MI's for the cemetery which may have been taken when the stone was readable ...

Thanks for clearing up the Marshall inscription Mongibello. The surname must just be a coincidence.

The stone looks like it might have lost part of it's surface so you probablay shouldn't touch it. However water sprayed on, plus lighting and taking photos from various angles as suggested may reveal some more letters. I hope.  

Once again, today I probably won't be able to spend much time with Nathaniel but I'll leave you all to analyse today's entry:

Saturday
Black cat at Wharf caught mouse this morning.

Wonderful isn't it?

I love Nathaniel!  

Just saw your post - morning/evening Deb. This time tomorrow all will be revealed!!!!!! (I hope!) 

[Colin Cruddace]

Thanks for the friendly welcome, which I was half expecting 

In my local library there are films of the closed cemetery registers. Apart from the very early ones, the  burial registers have an alphabetical index at the start, which helps to locate a burial record in that particular register.

The burial record gives the plot reference, and from that you should be able to find the plot details in the plot register which shows all of the occupants of that plot.

I'm in the North-East of England, and feel as isolated as Deb, so I'll probably fade into the background and let you guys carry on the good work.

Regards,
Colin

[deb usa]

ooo Colin ...join in ...regardless of what you find or not , it's always great to have someone's take on the diary 


Morning Ruskie ...very much evening here 11;09pm as i type this ...

Nat seems to be really bored ...Cat caught mouse LOL ...ooooo NAT wait til tomorrow ...get your shorthand pencil ready 

deb

[Siamese Girl]

Mornin' all (or evening if that's that it is where you are) and hello Colin - yes the cemetery records should be somewhere. The local council should know.

Back on the Brycesons - there was a reason for all the Bryceson stuff as I really did wonder if the Mary Bryceson aged 20 living with the widowed Marion Bagg on the 1841 census was "our" Mary and her age was wrong.

I now think it's more likely that her name was wrong and she was Ann Bryceson, Marion's sister. Marion Bryceson turns up in the 1851 census living  back  in Edinburgh with her two children George and Marion, Ann Bryceson aged 29 and 14 year old Mary Leithead. Ann Bryceson continues to appear in the Scottish censuses up to 1891.

That spelling of Bryceson is incredibly rare -there's a good chance that  any one with it spelt like that is connected.

Right so where IS "our" Mary?

Carole

[Ruskie]

Hi Carole. 

Where is our Mary? That's the million dollar question.  I think we've all tried all we can think of to find her.

Deb's theory that she's already living in Richmond buildings with Matthew Ward and he didn't include her on the 1841 census (perhaps for the sake of respectablility) may not be too far off the mark. 

Granny Shepard and Uncle John are living in Stephen St in 1841. Is it worth checking the 1841 census for all of Stephen St, Richmond Buildings and Dean St (as she gives Dean St as her address when she marries Matthew on 27th of June 1841)?

Great detective work by the way tracing the Bagg/Bryceson's back to Scotland. It was well worth it even just to eliminate that particular Mary. 

[Mongibello]

In answer to Colin, the cemetery people did tell me that the grave is for four burials but only three people had been buried.   They were Sarah, Nathaniel's wife in 1890, Nathaniel Junior in Feb 1911 and our Nathaniel in March 1911.
Since the rest of the family seemed to be spread out they would have been buried in their local cemeteries.
When the central London churchyards were full in the middle of the 19th C (some scandallously so) the London boroughs bought plots in the (then) outer suburbs.   The one in Finchley was run by Islington & St Pancras.   It is huge, over a mile from the main gate to the further point and still in use.    The modern boroughs are Camden & Islington.

[nestagj]

I know its been said previously - what are Mary and Mathew Wards marriage details ?

N