Ryan, old-new Monklands 1859 onwards

[kathy-9]

Does anyone have any connections to the Pits before or from that time.  I only have the names James Rya, married Eleanor ... who had a son John, 1965 -- married to Mary Bonar in 1898. 

Dont quite know how to go about this search as it is coming up blank for me every time.  Any onfo appreciated.
Kathy

[kathy-9]

Sorry folks typo - John Ryan, 1865 onwards.

[MonicaL]

Hi Kathy

Did John's marriage to Mary Bonar take place in Scotland? I can't see it on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Have you got John and Mary in any Scottish census? The closest I can see is this entry in 1901, but ages of children don't fit with a 1898 marriage necessarily:

John Ryan 32 Mason's Labourer b. Ireland
Mary Ryan 34 b. Ireland
Theresa Ryan 8 b. Ireland
Mary Ryan 7 b. Ireland
Beatrice Ryan 5 b. Ireland
Katie Ryan 3 b. Ireland
John Ryan 6 months b. Glasgow

Address:  117 Maitland St, Milton Glasgow

I also can't see a Scottish birth for John on IGI at www.familysearch.org  There are a couple of possibilites showing in Ireland for his birth but you would need his mother's maiden name to be able to confirm further. Did John die in Scotland?

Monica 

[MonicaL]

Kathy

Just putting up a link to the other post on the Stirlingshire board www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,471401.0.html (with great new photos added by Fergie!).

Answering my own question I think that I made on the other thread - but thought to do it here so you can keep replies to your original post all together.

Think it was James (not JOHN) Ryan who married Mary Bonar in 1898 which explains why I couldn't see any trace of them.

This is likely them following their 1898 marriage:

James Ryan 28, Coal Miner Hewer, b. Greenock
Mary Ryan 21 b. Rutherglen, Lanark
Eleanor Ryan 1 b. Cumbernauld, Dumbarton
John Ryan 5 months b. Uddingston, Lanark

Address: 5 Laidlaw St, Bothwell Lanarkshire

Monica 

[MonicaL]

A couple of slightly earlier census entries:

1881:
Elina Ryan 37 b. Ireland
Michael Ryan 19 b. Ireland
John Ryan 17 b. England
Patrick Ryan 15 b. England
James Ryan 18 b. Greenock
Anastisa Ryan 11 b. Greenock
Daniel Ryan 9 b. Gourock

Address: 1 Hopeton St, Inverkip Renfrewshire

1891:
Ellen Ryan 48, nurse b. Ireland
James Ryan 22, coal miner b. Greenock
Anastisca Ryan 20, Shirt Finisher b. Greenock
Daniel Ryan 13, hammerdriver b. Gourock, Renfrewshire
Julia Collenson 30, cousin b. Ireland
John Callinan 1 cousin b. Glasgow

Address: 114 Naburn St, Glasgow Govan

Monica

[MonicaL]

James parents look to be John Ryan and Helen (and all its variants!) Dooley (lots of variants for this too..) Some of the children's births on IGI:

JAMES RINE  Birth: 24 MAR 1868 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
Parents: JOHN RINE and ELEANOR DOWLY

HANNAH STACEY RYAN  Birth: 17 JUL 1870 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock, Renfrew
Parents:JOHN RYAN and ELLEN DOOLEY...interesting indexing on the name Anastatia 

DANIEL RION  Birth: 25 FEB 1873 Inverkip, Renfrew
Parents: JOHN RION and HELEN DULEY

Likely this is how you will have to search for birth entries on Scotlands People if you want to view the birth certs - as you can see, huge variations on the spellings.

Any of the above birth certs should include date and place of parents' marriage. If in Ireland, it can give you some clues as to where the parents may have originated from.

Monica

[kathy-9]

Yes Monica, the James Ryan of Monklands is the one./

Monica, thank you so much for helping me with this, I have spent ages and not got nearly so far.  I need to ask you how you trace so easily!!

I gotta digest this lot now but will get back to you.

Have a great Sunday, Kathy

[MonicaL]

Just one more for now! This looks a good possibility for Mary Bonar at home for 1881 (and you can see where all the names of James and Mary's children came from):

John Bonar 24, coal miner b. Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Catherine Bonar 22 b. Baldenoch, Stirlingshire
Mary Bonar 1 b. Rutherglen
Robert Bonar 1 Month b. Rutherglen

Address: 21 Colliery Rows, Cambuslang

The 1898 marriage cert, if you haven't viewed it already, will let you confirm parents' names properly. I think, from a little bit I can see on line, that Mary's mother may have had a surname of Ferns?

Monica 

[kathy-9]

Here are
Mary Bonars details:

married 25november 1898  at Newton Cambuslang
to James Ryan,

Parents

John Bonar
Catherine Bonar (nee Ferns or Fearons)


John Ryan (dec)
Mary Dooley Gooley)??

This is as far as I got, John Ryan was proving a difficult fish to catch.

Again, thx for ALL your help, what a weekend lol.  Best regards, Kathy