American Murder about 1930?

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Cousin Ron told me that where Eddie and Mary Ellard lived there was this church that was the closest to their house...

Holy Trinity CE 

He thinks that that is where the Ellards children were baptised.  I live in Texas so I don't know...

The Baptism of Letitia Ellard would be there and it might tell the sponsors of the baptisms of the children who were most often family members...

I have no way of cking for any baptisms there...

Sharon   the one that started this quest and I have been looking for Letitia's death for years and found nothing yet...

[Trees]

Shaun they have checked the  Honesdale death
S had an email
" The obituary for the Letitia Green in The Wayne Independent is for Miss Letitia Green, born in Honesdale, daughter of the late John and Teresa Dux Green"
so we can rule that one out shame it would have been good to think she wasn't murdered
Ooh Hi Sharon good to have you on Rooteschat I'm an addict  well I needn't write the last question
Baptim records in C of E registers very rarely if ever give the godparants names, unlike the RC records
Trees aka H

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Forgot to say this about Letitia's murder from my Gaunt Irene who told me this

She told me this way back in the mid 1960s and then her mouth shut tight.... she knew Letitia's children tho so she had to know more than she told me.... she was one to tell you so much then zip the mouth shut tight.

She would disown me if she was alive now as to what I have found out about the family secrets.
Or have a heart attack.

Sharon

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Boy if she had my tree she would have had to join the Carmelites

[MonicaL]

  - boring trees are no fun to research Trees are they!

St Thomas is not covered by www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html - or not that I can see 

Sharon, has anyone tried to find the marriage of son James Henry Green Jnr and Evelyn Shivey? If he was born in 1920, marriage maybe in the 1940s perhaps. Would help to narrow down the window as to possible death for mother Leticia if she showed as deceased on his marriage entry.

Monica

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Does the Mother appear on marriage entries in the States that would be so useful  good thinking Monica

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Sometimes the mothers name appears on marriage records it depends on the time period and the state   Finding a mention of the wedding will tell both parents names tho. Some states wanted more info that others.  Each county in a state had different rules than others

Not tried to find James Green II marriage records but will ck on it.

Aunt Irene did join the convent then she ran away and hid in her mothers attic for 2 weeks  She thought that being a nun ment praying all day long and there were people who came in and cleaned and cooked for the convent and when she found out that the new to be nuns did that she ran away She left the convent and went to work in the Bank in Butler Pa till she retired never married 

I narrow down Letitia's death to after the census in 1930 to before the census in 1940 as she is not in it

Boring trees are not fun to research your right.... 

Cousin Ron said if no one can ck the Holy Trinity  CE records he will do it when he goes over to St Helens...

I saw Barbara on James Henry Greens draft registriation but thought that it was wrong as there are 2 census's that show Letitia J and then Letitia L so I didn't know what to do or think so I didn't do anything to her records on it.  It would make sense since her mothers sister's name was Letitia Barbara.... need to see her baptismal records to see what her middle name really was

Sharon

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Oh boy there had to be a pub involved somewhere didn't there
Francis PORTER (our Leticia's grand father) married a second time this time to a publican's widow Mary KAY she was a publican before they Married at 52 liverpool Rd Eccleston St Helens naturally being me with so many pubs already on the tree (we are over 60 now hic) I cant resist looking for this one.

Sharon I know you are wondering how the family could afford a servant in 1891 the answer is simple servants only cost a space then.
Servants in those times were not expensive they just needed bed and board not all even had clothing provided though most were given a day dress they were like boarders who paid with work rather than cash so don't be surprised to find a servant in the household, quite often they turn out to be a relation. With terribly overcrowded homes it was common practice to send younger daughters into service however poor, to free up living space. This did not only happen in the overcrowded cities either. Country cottages usually had no more than 2 bed rooms and families were as you know large so oldest daughters were kept to help with the chores and younger ones sent off into service one less mouth to feed and more room for the growing siblings! families like this one with young children welcomed extra help with open arms until all their sleeping space was taken up or until the children were more manageable age then a paying lodger or boarder was financially more attractive. You will notice in 1901 the servant has gone but they now have a boarder
Lesson over back to my pub crawl  hic
Cheers
Trees

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I put a post on the Craven Co North Carolina message board re an obit for Letitia's son James Henry Green who died there  last evening.  His obit might tell something about his parents.

I did notice that back in 2002 I had posted his info on it but in 8 years I never got so much as reply to my post.

I really took a long look at the Ellis Island ship record of Letitia Pye's going home to  there are 2 different people writtings on it.... one has Joseph Pye and the address in Butler Pa and befor it it has in another person's writting Relative through something adopted father.... cannot read the something word.

Anyone want to try and figure it out?  The entry is line 5  Hopefully the attach file is working right and I did it correctly  Someone let me know if it didn't go through and will reattach it

 I only was able to get the 2nd page on the Ellis Island website not the first one.

Sharon