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American Murder about 1930?
« on: Saturday 31 July 10 10:52 BST (UK) »
I am trying to verify a family story which I heard yesterday
Its a long story so I will try to just give the briefest pointers now
Letitia born St Helens Lancs 1889 married  James Henry Green possibly in Butler Pa USA  they had 3 children
She appears on the 1930 census for Pittsburgh Pa when she was A domestic and divorced
After that she seems to disappear but my contact tells me their family story is that Leticia was murdered however she doesn't know where or when
Can anyone suggest how I can find out more about this please.

I think a transcript of that 1930 census would be a good starting place and Can anyone tell me how to search for a death  in the USA?
How can I access the record of the marriage?

Many thanks
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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:08 BST (UK) »
Not quite what you are looking for but perhaps some additional info on the children of Letitia. From the new format searches on http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home

On that is a death showing for a James Henry Green, Jnr, son of JHG Snr and a Leticia Pye. Born 1920 in Butler PA. Died 07 Jun 1990 in New Bern, Craven, North Carolina, age 69, husband of Evelyn Shivey

The family in Butler Ward 4, Butler, Pennsylvania in 1920:

James H Green, breakman (railroad) 37 b. Pennsylvania
Leticia Green 30 b. England
Dorothy Green 8 months b. Pennsylvania

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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:35 BST (UK) »
Struggling to see that 1930 census entry you refer to Trees  :-\

Leticia looks to have returned to England for a short trip, arriving on 13 Jan 1912, and then back to the US on 18 May 1912, she gives her mother's details as to where she is going (mother looks to have remarried given the different surname and living in Butler).

So, likely marriage for her with James Green between 1912-19, given we have baby Dorothy in the 1920 census entry?

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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:35 BST (UK) »
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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:37 BST (UK) »
I found the 1930 census entry earlier on. She is listed as Lettie Green and has 2 children with her
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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:47 BST (UK) »
 :P Thanks Shaun - missed her completely even with wiildcard! As you said, in Pittsburgh, Allegheny, Pennsylvania:

Lettie Green 38, b. England
Dorothy Green 11
James H Green 9

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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:50 BST (UK) »
There was a Letitia Green who died in May 1970 in Honesdale, Wayne, Pennsylvania. Her date of birth is given as 12 August 1889.
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Re: American Murder about 1930?
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 31 July 10 15:09 BST (UK) »
Saw that one Shaun - also this one, in case age became economical over the years (source U.S. Social Security Death Index)

Letty GREEN Birth: 21 Jul 1893  State Where Number was Issued: Pennsylvania  Death: Aug 1979

Both these possible entries are just in case there was no murder - lets hope!

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 31 July 10 15:40 BST (UK) »
Gosh i popped out for a short time and look how wonderful you have all been I knew she had been back to visit her mother Mary Ann ELLARD nee Porter you may notice on the passenger list of the Celtic 18 may 1912 it states she is meeting her father by adoption Joseph Pye. This passenger list is the main reason for us believing she was born Letitia ELLARD and is on my tree,
Shaun that is an exact copy of what I have recieved yesterday its quite an amazing story isn't it
The death showing a birth in August 1889 looks good my Letitia Ellard was registared Sep qtr 1889 St Helens lancs. How can I find the cause of death to be able to be sure there was no murder?
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Also read the children a story from Story Time at the same web site.