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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 August 10 13:49 BST (UK) »
Yes seen all these entries before and did wonder about the Stoupe name.

My father mentioned to my older siblings he had a brother Thomas but one never knows in genealogy what turns up right lol.

My mother for instance is Taggart her father is Teggert with an E.


O think the carroodore is like ulster scots lingo? Sounds like anyway!
My FATHER: JOHN HENRY MORROW
MY MOTHER:BRIGID VERONICA TAGGART COALISLAND CO.TYRONE
MY PATERNAL GRANDFATHER:THOMAS MORROW
My PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER:AGNES MARTHA COULTER
MY FATHER BORN 1ST FEB1911 IN NEWTOWNARDS CO.DOWN IRELAND
FATHER HAD BROTHER THOMAS ITS BELIEVED AND VARIOUS OTHER SIBLINGS BUT NAMES UNKNOWN..

HE WENT TO SCHOOL IN MILLISLE.(records of Millisle school were burned in big fire at school years ago)

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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 August 10 13:55 BST (UK) »
There are lots of mistakes with placenames in 1911 and 1901 census- if you look at scanned image you can see what is is supposed to be as opposed to trancribed placename.

When you are asking for help it's a good idea to tell us all the details you have and what information you've already found to stop us from searching for and then posting information you already have.

"My father mentioned to my older siblings he had a brother Thomas"- any idea whether or not Thomas was older or younger than your father?
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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 August 10 14:21 BST (UK) »
Oops sorry about that that was seriously daft of me not to mention what info i have but came across most of it while posting on here like the Stoupe name etc.came across that last night and .......got e.mail today to say the John Morrow aged 1 in 1911 census was not my father as the May Morrow mentioned was Brazier to her own name so at least it rules out that but was disapointed all the same.

I was on emeraldancestors found my mothers lot but not a thing on my father at all.

Tried BDM in Belfast and Dublin and PRONI in belfast but no joy with birth registration etc or grandparents marriage..
Have tried loads of churches in Newtownards but no joy there either...I have now got to try Donaghadee as i was told today it was their district it all came under at the time.

I have my fathers driving license issued during ww2 but no birth certificate  was needed.
I know not everyone was registered back then unfortunately but surely he must be registered somewhere?

He went to Millisle school he showed us way back in 60's but their school records were destroyed in fire!


Thomas was older we believe but again not sure (maybe eldest named after the father)..I am going on my older siblings childhood recollections on sibling names..my brother remembers having a conversation with my father and my father said he had a younger brother named Robert who went to live abroad but again childhood recollections only.

My sister claims he had a sister named Doreen who she was named after but another sister thought it was Elizabeth...My sister Doreen is also called Doreen Elizabeth!
My FATHER: JOHN HENRY MORROW
MY MOTHER:BRIGID VERONICA TAGGART COALISLAND CO.TYRONE
MY PATERNAL GRANDFATHER:THOMAS MORROW
My PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER:AGNES MARTHA COULTER
MY FATHER BORN 1ST FEB1911 IN NEWTOWNARDS CO.DOWN IRELAND
FATHER HAD BROTHER THOMAS ITS BELIEVED AND VARIOUS OTHER SIBLINGS BUT NAMES UNKNOWN..

HE WENT TO SCHOOL IN MILLISLE.(records of Millisle school were burned in big fire at school years ago)

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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #12 on: Monday 02 August 10 21:43 BST (UK) »
I have been mailing back and forth with a lovely woman who is a Member of the North of Ireland Family History Society
(web site: www.nifhs.org)
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For £12 fee they do Lookups in Newtownards churches and Donaghadee churches but none relating to my fathers side of family. Though she stresses this does not include all of county Down!
My FATHER: JOHN HENRY MORROW
MY MOTHER:BRIGID VERONICA TAGGART COALISLAND CO.TYRONE
MY PATERNAL GRANDFATHER:THOMAS MORROW
My PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER:AGNES MARTHA COULTER
MY FATHER BORN 1ST FEB1911 IN NEWTOWNARDS CO.DOWN IRELAND
FATHER HAD BROTHER THOMAS ITS BELIEVED AND VARIOUS OTHER SIBLINGS BUT NAMES UNKNOWN..

HE WENT TO SCHOOL IN MILLISLE.(records of Millisle school were burned in big fire at school years ago)


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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 August 10 00:10 BST (UK) »
You've posted this on Newtownards Methodist Church thread but it would be better answered here.
You lost me!
That is not my grandmother thats why i dont know what my father was.....where is her husband thomas in census?
And more importantly where is my father john born in 1911?
Am i missing something here ?
Im truly baffled.

Start with the 'facts' that you have-
1. your father John Morrow born 1911 (but no birth certificate found yet)
2. his parents Thomas Morrow & Agnes Martha Morrow (nee Coulter) from Newtownards (but no marriage certificate found yet)
3. your father went to Millisle School
4. your father had possible siblings named Thomas, Doreen (or Elizabeth), Robert (although details from your siblings vary and we can't yet be certain of the names)

Now, the details that have been found and posted here for you-
1. In 1901 census there is an Agnes Coulter Morrow with son James living at 'Carroodore' (Carrowdore)- chances of 2 Agnes Coulter Morrows living in this area are slim and this is probably the right area for a child to attend Millisle School. This Agnes is age 29 (born c1872) and Presbyterian.
2. The fact that we can find no marriage for Agnes Coulter to Thomas Morrow (or any Morrow) indicates the couple might not have actually married. The enumerator would not have required Agnes to prove any of the details she provided. Additionally, she signed the form Agnes Coulter (not Morrow).
3. 1911 Census shows an Agnes Morrow living in the same area and Presbyterian. If you compare the signatures from 1901 and 1911 they loove like the same writing. This Agnes' age is only 35 but only 4 years off from age in 1901 census.
4. 1911 census shows a child with Agnes (not the James recorded in 1901) but a Thomas John Stoupe. Could this be the possible brother Thomas?
5. Your father was born in 1911 but what was his date of birth- perhaps after the census was taken which would explain why he's not listed.
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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 05 August 10 00:36 BST (UK) »
Aghadowey.....Thankyou for all that info much appreciated! :)

I think your number 2 in second list has missed something ;)

Ards parish records have an Agnes Morrow (nee coulter) Married to James Morrow.
They were married in Ballycopeland Presbyterian church 7th January 1898. ...

I also found them in Proni and it names all their children right up to 1919 BUT my father wasnt listed...so thats why i dont think its my granny!




From a woman working in Ards Council...
My database pulls up all records for the whole of the Ards District and there is no record of a marriage between  Thomas Morrow and Agnes Coulter listed at all. Maybe they were married in another district eg North Down?



My FATHER: JOHN HENRY MORROW
MY MOTHER:BRIGID VERONICA TAGGART COALISLAND CO.TYRONE
MY PATERNAL GRANDFATHER:THOMAS MORROW
My PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER:AGNES MARTHA COULTER
MY FATHER BORN 1ST FEB1911 IN NEWTOWNARDS CO.DOWN IRELAND
FATHER HAD BROTHER THOMAS ITS BELIEVED AND VARIOUS OTHER SIBLINGS BUT NAMES UNKNOWN..

HE WENT TO SCHOOL IN MILLISLE.(records of Millisle school were burned in big fire at school years ago)

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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 August 10 00:54 BST (UK) »
Ards parish records have an Agnes Morrow (nee coulter) Married to James Morrow.
They were married in Ballycopeland Presbyterian church 7th January 1898. ...

I also found them in Proni and it names all their children right up to 1919 BUT my father wasnt listed...so thats why i dont think its my granny!

Do you mean that marriage and baptisms of all children except your father were found in records of Ballycopeland Presbyterian Church? If so, it's not at all unisual for a child's baptism to be missing from records- in a large family of say 8-10 children there is often at least one missing.
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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 05 August 10 18:31 BST (UK) »
I agree.... but i have no way of knowing if that is my grandparents..

Its also lists James as the husband not Thomas.

My father states Thomas is his father..would they have taken second names as 1st?


Should i be pursueing James birth  cert to see if Thomas is his second name?

James Marriage cert does not state he is James Thomas Morrow is this ususal?
My FATHER: JOHN HENRY MORROW
MY MOTHER:BRIGID VERONICA TAGGART COALISLAND CO.TYRONE
MY PATERNAL GRANDFATHER:THOMAS MORROW
My PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER:AGNES MARTHA COULTER
MY FATHER BORN 1ST FEB1911 IN NEWTOWNARDS CO.DOWN IRELAND
FATHER HAD BROTHER THOMAS ITS BELIEVED AND VARIOUS OTHER SIBLINGS BUT NAMES UNKNOWN..

HE WENT TO SCHOOL IN MILLISLE.(records of Millisle school were burned in big fire at school years ago)

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Re: Lookup Please for Morrow... Newtownards area
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 05 August 10 18:59 BST (UK) »
found this

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 7 Jan 1898
Groom Name james MORROW
Bride Name agnes COULTER
Church Ballycopeland Presbyterian Church
Parish Donaghadee
Civil District Newtownards
County Down
 
and this

Record Type Civil Birth
Date of Birth 16 Feb 1874
Name James MORROW
Gender M
Fathers Name James MORROW
Mothers Forenames Mary
Mothers Maiden Name MENAGH
Civil District  Newtownards
Sub District Donaghadee
County Down


No James Thomas it seems..is this usual?

I dont want to follow a trail that isnt mine :-\
My FATHER: JOHN HENRY MORROW
MY MOTHER:BRIGID VERONICA TAGGART COALISLAND CO.TYRONE
MY PATERNAL GRANDFATHER:THOMAS MORROW
My PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER:AGNES MARTHA COULTER
MY FATHER BORN 1ST FEB1911 IN NEWTOWNARDS CO.DOWN IRELAND
FATHER HAD BROTHER THOMAS ITS BELIEVED AND VARIOUS OTHER SIBLINGS BUT NAMES UNKNOWN..

HE WENT TO SCHOOL IN MILLISLE.(records of Millisle school were burned in big fire at school years ago)