Hogbens in Stanford or Kent generally

[MKsylvia]

Hi

I'm tracing Hogben's. Recently I spoke to someone in the Kent archives office and they gave me some information, but  I need to verify what was found.

Richard Birch married a Sarah Hogben circa 1790 Swingfield

Their son also Richard Birch  married a  Elizabeth Hogben 13 0ct; 1821
 
He was baptised 25 sept; 1791 and buried 26 march 1846.   

What they found was that Elizabeth was the daughter of John and Susannah Hogben.  Now the only John and Susannah married were in Stanford in Kent. Her surname was Illenden.  I need to verify that she is this Susannah.

The next problem is that  lots of children were born to  them, and the age range is too great to be one family. 

Susannah 1768,   John bp 1771,   Hannah  1774,   Mary 1778,  William david 1782,   George 1789,    Elizabeth bp 08 03 1795,  Ann 1797,   John bp 1799,   Richard 1801   and  William bp 1803
 
 ALL REGISTERED UNDER   as born to   JOHN AND SUSANNAH AS THEIR PARENTS.

Presumably John born in 1771 is the father of some of the later children but this is dependent on him also marrying someone called Susannah.  Not likely and no marriage can be found.  Can anyone shed any light on this for me??

I'm completely stuck.     

Thank you

                   

[casalguidi]

Their son also Richard Birch  married a  Elizabeth Hogben 13 0ct; 1821

So the ideal thing would be to investigate this Elizabeth ie. when/where was she born, where did she marry, does she appear in any census (when and where - age and birthplace), burial even to get age - do you have any of this?

Casalguidi

[MKsylvia]

Hi

She is the Elizabeth shown above  apparently.

Born 8 3 1795.   In Stanford. 

Her parents.......POSSIBLY married Woodchurch  23rd March 1765 This may or may not be them . It's John Hogbin and Susannah Illenden.  No death. No census that I can see.

That's all I have.

[casalguidi]

It's much easier to work back from Richard and Elizabeth (nee HOGBEN) BIRCH if we can.

No census that I can see.

Well Richard BIRCH appears to be in the 1841 census of Swingfield (I don't have access to the full household) ............. is Elizabeth with him?  Is she likely to be the Elizabeth BIRCH who is still living in Swingfield in 1851 age about 50 (I would hope for a birthplace if she is) or do we assume that she died prior to 1851 or 1841 even?

Casalguidi

[MKsylvia]

Hi

The only Richard Birch I can see in the 1841 census is too old, he was born in 1771. Mine was born in 1791.

There is an Elizabeth

BIRCH, Elizabeth   Head    Widow   F   50    1801    General House Hold Work   Born Alkham

I originally thought she was born in Alkham,  Kent RO said they have no births in Alkham, and then sent the info about  Stanford.  That's why I don't know if she is the same Elizabeth.

[casalguidi]

Try looking for a Ric* in Swingfield in 1841 ............... there should be one age 45 ie. born between 1790-1796

There is a baptism for an Elizabeth HOGDEN (possibly a transcription error or else a transcription error in the marriage?) in Alkham 1800 dau of Thomas and Ann see http://www.familysearch.org (select Record Search Pilot)

I hope you didn't pay a lot of money for somebody to tell you that something isn't there when clearly it appears to be

Casalguidi

[MKsylvia]

Hi

Right I have them in 1841

Hoad Cottage, Little, Swingfield

BIRCH, Richd   M   45   1796      
BIRCH, Eliz   F   40   1801      
BIRCH, Mary   F   8   1833      
BIRCH, Willm   M   6   1835      
BIRCH, Eliza   F   3   1838      
BIRCH, John   F   0 (7 months)   1841   

Thanks so much for finding her on family search. So she was born in Alkham like she says.  You think she'd know wouldn't you.     So now I need to find Thomas and Ann.  Not John and Susannah.

Just one thought though,  their first child was born in 1813   Henry.  I have found him is the census and he states that he was born in 1813. She'd only be 13. Possible but likely?

[trish1120]

BIRCH Christenings, Church of England, Westbere, Kent
Parents RICHARD and ELIZABETH
ELIZABETH, 28 August 1823
ANN, 02 March 1828
RICHARD, 21 October 1828
MARY ANN, 06 January 1833#
WILLIAM, 21 June 1835#
ELIZA, 18 February 1838#
JOHN, 15 November 1840#
Ones with a # appear on 1841 Census with Richard and Elizabeth
 
Ok how does Henry born c 1813 fit into this if he was born before they were married in 1821 as you state.
How did you connect them to him?

The Marriage of Richard and Elizabeth HOGDEN took place at Church of England, Westbere, Kent, 13 October 1821.
( Source of all this info is Familysearch Pilot)

Trish

[MKsylvia]

Hi 

OK I'm confused now, so I'm sure everyone else is.

OK This is what I need to know.

Henry Birch born 1813/14.  Census says born Newington.  I have a birth in Newington-next Hythe in 1813 so that's presumably him.   Parents are Richard and Susanna.

I have a marriage of Richard and Susanna Baker in Newington next Hythe in 1805. That's where the Susanna comes in.  This would mean Richard being born c 1785 to 1780 ish.

I can't find either of them being born in Newington.  Can we trace either of their parents?

Originally I had Richard Birch of Swingfield as being this Richard, born 1791 but he married Elizabeth Hogben, hence my original question.

Sorry to have confused anyone. 

Sylvia


Thanks