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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 22 December 13 21:59 GMT (UK) »
Hello star48 ....I think I'm also a descendant of ikey. ..do you know the names of the other children. ..was there John and David...because those names keep popping up in my family tree
Hi, Ikey and Hannah Solomon's children were:- John (Ya'kov) born 1808 d.25 Jul 1889, Moses b. 1809 d. 4 Aug 1896, David b. 1818/9 d. 21 Aug 1860, Anne (Nancy) b. 12 Jan 1820 d.?, Sarah b. 4 Oct 1823 d. 1882, Mark b. 1825 d. 24 Jan 1877.  All of these married in Australia and had their families in Australia.  It is unlikely that any would have descendant lines in England although I do know of grandchildren of Ikey who lived in England for a time.  John and David are both popular names in Jewish families. ( The reason for the large gap between Moses and David is that Ikey was in prison during that period!)

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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 July 16 00:44 BST (UK) »
Star48
           I have just come across your  post regarding Ikey Soiomon. I too have a family connection
to him. His daughter Sarah married George Barnett Levy . Their daughter Ann born in Launceston
Tasmania on 3/2/1851 married Ashur Hart on 8/8/1872 in the Melbourne Synagogue in Bourke St.
Ashurs father was Henry  Hyam Hart my great great grand father. I am descended through
Ashurs brother, Henry Hyam Hart born around 1835.

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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 July 16 10:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your message, Peter.  It is always great to have contact with people who are connected to our family! Do you have any information about Ashur and Ann's family and their dates and place of death?      Star

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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 July 16 03:13 BST (UK) »
Star
 I certainly do and much more than that. 
Ashur  Hart B 19/1/1848 at No 3 Grove St London. He arrived in Melbourne on the Caldera on
the 7/3/1855. He came with his parents Henry Hyam Hart and Ann Hart( Mordecai)  and six
siblings. He married Anne Levy born in Launceston Tasmania on 3/2/1851 in Melbourne on 8/8/1872. Her father George Barnett Levy was part of the Levy family that played a large
part in the  early history of Australian theatre. His wife Sarah Solomon was the daughter of
Isaac Solomon and Ann Julian. Isaac known as Ikey is regarded as the model for Fagin in
Charles Dickens Oliver Twist. Look him up on Google. Ashurs family were among the early
pioneers of Melbourne. His uncle Asher was in Collins St Melbourne as a draper in 1841.
and most of his cousins were there too. His cousin Louis had the first Jewish funeral with
a Hebrew headstone. As a family they were among the pioneers of the Jewish faith Melbourne.
Ashur  is mentioned in four books. They are the Jews in Victoria 1835 - 1985 and The Jews in
Australia by Hilary Rubenstein, Australian Genesis Jewish Convicts and Settlers 1788- 1850
by J S Levi and GJF Bergman and The Enduring Remnant by Joseph Aron and Judy Arndt.
You can look Ashur up on the internet.
Children
Albert  Henry Hart  B 1873 Emerald Hill Melbourne 1873  D Bondi NSW  8/3.1930  No Children
Ernest  Lewis  Hart  B1875 Emerald Hill D 1962 Sydney 1 DAU Annie May Hart B 1917
Percy  Benjamin Hart B 1878 Carlton Melbourne D 7/8/1918  No children
Godfrey  Lawrence Hart B 1880 Carlton D 6/10/1936 Shakespeare Hotel Sydney . 1son 1 dau
Mercia Doreen B 1904, Roy Asher B 6/2/1914.
Lillian May Hart B1882 Emerald Hill  D 1949 Sydney no children.
Leslie  Melbourne  Hart B 1884 Melbourne D 22/6/1948 Sydney NSW. 3 DAU
Vera Daisy B 1909 Redfern NSW D 1/8/2003 Carlingford Sydney
Beryl B 1911, Nancy Lillian B 1915.
Reginald Hart B 1886 D 1950 Paddington Sydney M Elizabeth Cousins 1916 1son 1 Dau
Ashur Percy B 1917, Shirley B 7/10/1926
Ruby Hart B 1888 D 16/5/1971 NSW  Children Charles Ashur Sara 1915, Jack Sara 1917, Peggy 1920,Peggy 1926
Violet Hart 1926 D 1959 Sydney.  1son Maurice Morris
There is much more to the story.
                       
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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 July 16 05:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you very much, Peter.  Ikey is my 4x great grandfather and I have a lot of information about him and his wife but have not followed his daughter's family lines very much, Sarah's least of all.  I am descended from Isaac and Hannah's son, David.  So I really appreciate having this information about her family.  Thank you for taking the time to send it to me.     S.

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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 01 August 16 03:06 BST (UK) »
I looked him up on the Trove site and what came up was not only fascinating but  quite funny
at times. It seems his only legal occupations were selling oranges and lemons and being a
pedlar. While still a teenager he was an adept passer of debased coins, a pickpocket and fence
who got out of trouble by bribing the police. Even when he was sentenced to transportation for life
his uncle, a Chatham merchant by means fair or devious managed to keep him in England. On
one occasion he stole 300 pounds worth of goods from a boot maker, had them taken to his
house in hackney cabs and proceeded to remove all identifying marks and when challenged by
the owner even managed to make the boot maker pay another 100 pounds to get his own goods
back! There is a quite funny description of his famous escape in London. It seems his wife and
some of his friends plied his guards with liberal amounts of free liquor and then feigning a fit she
clung to one of the now drunken guards as if for dear life. It must have been quite a sight.
After that he hid in Highgate before escaping to America via Denmark. He then came to Tasmania
via South America according to a report at the time. No wonder he became such a cult figure.
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Re: "Help" The Infamous Ikey SOLOMON, London,NewYork,Tasmania.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 01 August 16 06:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter, Take what you read in the newspapers with a grain of salt!  There is a lot more involved than was peddled in the press of the time.  Because he became well-known, more was attributed to him than he was responsible for.  When he was jailed a few years after his marriage, he spent 10 years in prison.  He was mistakenly released in the place of someone else, and when he learned it was a mistake, he handed himself back in so that the person who was supposed to be released could be.  As a result he was given a pardon.  He had a legitimate jewellery shop and a second-hand business where he took full advantage of re-selling stolen goods sold to him cheaply by those who stole them.  He was certainly on the wrong side of the law but he also had a 'code of honour' of sorts and is not guilty of all that was laid at his door.  It was popular at the time to vilify jews, especially rich ones.  The newspaper account of his escape when returning from his court appearance is inaccurate and highly coloured.  His wife was not guilty of any criminal activity, but his brother was bribed by the police to plant evidence that got her transported to Tasmania.  When Isaac learned of it, in disregard for his personal liberty, he immediately sailed for the penal colony to see if he could help her.  That is not the action of a selfish person.  Although previously a law-breaker, he was respected in Tasmania to the extent that he kept government account books and was considered an accurate and honest book-keeper.  The most respected lawyer in the colony stood guarantor for him and a number of the colony's gentlemen and 'top brass' got together to pay a bond demanded by the British prosecutor.  He was very intelligent, and thoroughly annoyed the constabulary in London because he could run rings around them in verbal altercation.  You may have heard that the novel "The Potato Factory" is supposed to be the story of his life, however, the bulk of it is solely imaginary and there is very little fact in it.  We considered taking a libel suit against the writer, however, because he called it a 'novel' he can say what he likes.  Ikey was undoubtedly a colourful character and deserved his imprisonment, but he was not the ridiculous or sinister figure that he was made out to be by the press of the day.  Charles Dickens was a young reporter at the time of Ikey's third trial and the strong similarity between the trial transcript and the trial of Fagin in 'Oliver Twist' has led to speculation that Dickens modelled his account of Fagin's trial on that of Ikey.  However, there is no other congruence between the experience of Ikey and the character of Fagin although a lot of people wrongly assert that Ikey was the character reference for the creation of Fagin.  A lot of research has gone into peeling back the layers of misinformation to reveal the real person at the heart of all that was written about him.   It is interesting to be able to look at the old newspapers and see what society thought about him at the time.  I have copies of all the articles I've been able to find about him.  I think that coming to Australia was a blessing for his family, because they were able to rise to places in society that they never would have been permitted to hold had they remained in England.  It can be strange how things turn out!  Thanks for keeping in touch.    Star