Looking for leads

[sancti]

Struggling to find a Dougal/Duthart connection

Other Duthart marriages in the area

1918 DUTHART ANDREW and SUTHERLAND MARY at SHOTTS (WESTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK

1920 DUTHART WILLIAM DUNLOP and  MACFARLANE AGNES JACK at CAMBUSNETHAN /LANARK

1906 WARREN WILLIAM and DOUTHART MARY at SHOTTS (WESTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK

1909 RUSSELL CORNELIUS JOHNS and DOUTHART HANNAH at SHOTTS (WESTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK

1910 CLARK PETER and DOUTHART MARTHA JANE at SHOTTS (WESTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK


Are any of these surnames mentioned in family folklore?

[Chorney]

Not that I can think of, but that doesn't mean it's not possible.  Unfortunately, family history wasn't a big thing in our family.  These all look good.  Time to dig around and see what I come up with.  Thanks again for your help! 

[Chorney]

I've discovered an address for 1926, but I can't seem to do anything with it.  Anyone have any ideas as to what this address might help me find?

In 1926, Mrs. Mary Dougall lived at 223 1/2 low, Main St. Wishaw.

I've tired plugging that in in various places, but I'm not getting anything.

[MonicaL]

Hi Chorney

Not much you can do with an address except perhaps check the electoral roll to confirm who shows as living there. I assume you have from source Mary Dougal living there (is this from May Lampkin's trip to the UK that year and the shipping manifest?). May shows as aged 30 so born c. 1896. You also have a later address from the shipping manifests (Molly has a couple of trips back before and just after her marriage).

Can I ask, have you tried to find marriage or death certs for Molly to see what they say? Were there any obituaries for Molly after her death in 2005? I can see this reference for example:

PHILLIPS, Mary "Molly" (DOUGALL); 93; Iroquois Falls, ON; Timmins Daily Press; 2005-05-25

Similarly, you have a possible 'sister' Mary/May who married a Lampkin over in Canada. You have his name as William. Have you tried finding any certs for this Mary over in Canada to establish her maiden name and parents' names.

There are too many possibles on surnames and scenarios to help you start to narrow down the search for Mary's origins.

Why do you think her mother's name was Nina? I can see that she called your mother Nina from what you have said, with a further surname of Hendry also added to your mother's name.

Nina was used often as a pet name. It could be a diminutive of Ann, see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=nina

Monica 

[Chorney]

Monica!  Wow, you've done your homework!  I'm curious where you found that obit.  That is my grandmother's, Molly's, and is the right one.  I hunted around for it, but couldn't fint it.  You're obviously much better at this than I am!

I don't have Molly living there, but it was a place to start.  If you've read through all my mumbo jumbo, then you know I'm lacking some crucial information.  I've got my aunt working on getting info from my grandmother's records which we believe may be at their house, and I've written a letter to a relation in Scotland whom I'm hoping will know much more.  It will take quite awhile to get a response from him though, I'm assuming.

Yes, Molly's sister May Lampkin came to Canada in 1919 I believe and I've found one record of landing in Canada in 1926, which was after she was married to Bill Lampkin.  I haven't yet found her original voyage record, which I hope will confirm her last name and give me a direction to follow.  Certs in Canada are extremely difficult to get, as everything must be done through the government.  And, as I'm not a direct relation to her, it may be difficult.  I have applied for a marriage cert for Molly, but I don't know when or if that will come.

According to family, Molly's mother Nina was definitely called Nina, although I'm trying to find out if indeed it was a pet name as suspected.  I'm thinking it must have been because I can find nothing under the name Nina that matches well enough.


If you've any other ideas/advice, please pass them on!!

[MonicaL]

I think I may be on a trail....perhaps!

Just been doing a little more on searches. We have a number of names, first and surnames and possible scenarios. The key names you have are Mary Dougall and a Nina. Then Molly's name which you have on records as Mary Welsh Dougall.

Now, your mother was called Nina Hendry Phillips. Making the assumption that Molly kept to Scottish naming pattern, likely this was her mother's name including surname. Also, we know Nina is likely to be a pet name for Molly's mother and the most common name linked to this is Ann.

There is a birth showing on Scotlands People (would need to be looked up or cert ordered as you know) for a MARY WELSH HENDRY in AIRDRIE, Lanarkshire in 1911. I would bet this is your Molly.

I found one possible family in 1901 which I am still trying to work on to find out some more:

James Dougall 44, coal miner b. Wishaw
Mary Dougall 30, b. Ireland
Thomas Dougall 14, b. Wishaw
Fanny Henry 14, step daughter b. America
Annie Henry 10 , step daughter b. America...Could this me NINA?
Mary Henry 6 , step daughter b. America...I am thinking this may be Mary Lampkin perhaps
James H Dougall 2, son b. Morningside, Lanarkshire

Address: 5 Chapel Old Row, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire

Monica

[Chorney]

Interesting!  I looked at that family in the census myself and really questioned them, mostly because of the Fannie listed, and because of them having 2 names, as the mother was married twice and also because of the closeness of Henry and Hendry.  I know there was a Fannie in the family.  I'll have to look at them more closely and see if I can cross-reference anything, like a May or Mary Hendry sailing to canada in or around 1919.  May Lampkin reported that she had lived in Canada from 1919 on a record of landing in Canada after visiting Scotland.

You may well be onto something!!!

[MonicaL]

Following the same theory that Nina called her daughter after her mother, you would guess that her mother was called Mary Welsh.

Just looked at the birth of the son John H Dougal who shows on that 1901 census entry. Father is showing as Thomas (Thomas/James?) and mother is showing as:

Mary Dougal, formerly Hendry, maiden name WELSH.

Looking good   This all fits well with family stories that you have of Mary Dougal being previously married. Nina (Ann) being a daughter from a previous marriage to X Hendry (or Henry and other variants). She would have been c. 21 when potential daughter Molly was born in 1911. Molly then brought up by Gran Mary Welsh/Henry/Dougal.

You need to verify all of this but hopefully some leads there to follow up....

Monica

[Chorney]

You're amazing! 

I hd second thoughts about the Mary born in America, until I remembered that the mother, Mary, had been married to a gentleman who died in New York City, in the collapse of a tunnell he was working on.  I didn't think that Mary had been there, but now I'm thinking she must have.  I'll have to buy some more credits on SP and really look into things.  I had all of this information, I just couldn't put the right names together!  I tried Welsh, Dougall, Hendry, but maybe I just didn't get the right last names with right first names.

I bet you're right though!