Harpur family

[fofofo]

I have reason to believe that I am a decendant of the Harpur family of Derbyshire. I am hoping that you might be able to verify a few things.

First of all, my name is Marnix Alexander de Paula Lopes, born 29 Jul 1966 Johannesburg South Africa. I am the son of Derrick Henry de Paula Lopes, born 27 Nov 1920 Recife Brazil, died 06 Oct 1975 The Hague Kingdom of The Netherlands and Louise Pauline Desiree Happe, born 27 Aug 1931 Semarang Dutrch Indies. My father's mother was Gladys Copestake Harpur. She was born 16 Dec 1898 Norwood London, died 30 Mar 1966 Heemskerk Kingdom of The Netherlands.
Her parents were:
Henry Poles Copestake Harpur; born 28 Apr 1869  York Doncaster, General Draper, died 1955 Kent Surrey. Married 17 Aug 1897 Kent Surrey to Anne Elizabeth Parks; born 17 Dec 1867 Hoxton New Town Middlesex, died after 1898.
His parents were:
James Copestick Harpur; born 23 Jan 1835  Nottinghamshire, Commercial Traveller, died 14 Jun 1878 Doncaster York.
Note with James: He was boarding at Thomas Russell’s academy in Mackworth in 1841. 1841 census: Academy, Mackworth, Derbyshire James Copestick* 6 boarder born in county
Class: HO107/ Piece 189/ Book: 6/ Page: 1 *transcribed by Ancestry as “Apertick”.
There are 22 boys boarding at this establishment, ages ranging from 6 to 15. James is the youngest, and most boys are over 10.
The schoolmaster at Mackworth was Thomas Russell. Mackworth school was a Wesleyan Methodist establishment.
It seems he was baptised James Copestick and he was still James Copestick in 1851.
One possibility is that he changed his name to Harpur as a requirement of someone’s Will in order to benefit from a legacy. His grandfather Joseph Harpur perhaps? He died in August 1853.
James Copestike 1841 census: The 1841 census says ‘old Uttoxeter road’ (Uttoxeter is a place near Derby).
I located James Copestick as Burgess in a Derby History. Copestike James Gentleman Old Uttoxeter Road B (Burgess ~ Citizen of an English Borough). I also found him in a trade directory: ‘Copestick Jas. farmer Old Uttoxeter road’.
Address: 37 Young street, Doncaster York United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland [bron: Certified copy of an entry of birth of Henry Poles Copestake Harpur]
Occupation: Commercial Traveller [bron: Certified copy of an entry of birth of Henry Poles Copestake Harpur]
Religion: Wesleyan Methodist.
Married 14 Dec 1865 Wath upon Dearne Roterham York to Elizabeth Poles; born 1 Aug 1842 Wentworth Wath Rotherham York, baptised Wentworth Wath Rotherham York, died about 1917 Bromley Kent.
His parents were:
James Copestick; baptised 11 Oct 1805 Derby, Wheelwright, died before 25 Feb 1835 Draycott Derby. Note for James: St. Werburgh Derby. Note with death: Parish of Wilner.
No further children, he died before the baptism took place of his first child.
DERBY MERCURY 25TH February 1835
IN THE AFFAIRS OF JAMES COPESTICK
WHEELWRIGHT, DRAYCOTT:
All persons who have any claim upon the Estate & Effect of the late James Copestick, are required to send the same to Joseph Hooley, shoemaker, Draycott, in order to the same being examined and if correct, discharged. And all persons who stand indebted to the sale late James Copestick, are requested to pay the amount immediately to the aforesaid Joseph Hooley, who is legally authorised to receive the same.
Married 15 Apr 1834 Derby to Mary Harpur; born 13 Jun 1812 Husbands Bosworth Leicester, baptised Husbands Bosworth Leicester, died after 1834.
Her parents were:
Joseph Harpur; baptised 31 may 1779 Etwall, died Aug 1853. Note with Joseph: Lived in Rowditch near Derby at the time of the marriage of his daughter Mary. He was a Brick maker (Rowditch Farm). 1841 on census he is mentioned with his daughter Mary Copestake (Harpur) ~a widow (to James Copestake) at the time.
Joseph was married to Hannah NN (Nomen Nescio).

I found an article that stated that a junior branch of the Harpur family settled in Derbyshire and became brick makers. On a forum I asked for a photo and did get it. A lady in Utah saw this and told me that she had an article about the Harpur family from Derbyshire in which (Joseph) Harpur, a Brick maker from Derbyshire was mentioned. It was written by Maxwell Craven. It sais that Joseph Harpur’s father was Thomas Harpur who farmed at Littleover. His parents were Henry Harpur who married Elizabeth Wagg.

I believe therefore that I am a direct descendant of the first Baronet of Calke Abbey. My genealogical line of descendants is via his son William Harpur (of Bilston), father to the above mentioned Henry Harpur.

I wander if you can verify some of this data and might know of someone who might be able to compliment my research. I would be most greatfull to hear from you as I reside in The Netherlands.

Kind regards, (Marnix) Alexander de Paula Lopes

[LellyM]

It may be worth you looking into Ticknall village (where Calke Abbey is) as they have a Dame Catherine Harpur school.

Lelly

[fofofo]

Thank you, I will do so.

[spendlove]

Hello,

Magna Britannia Volume 5, gives details of the Harpur Family of Derbyshire, with a mention of Littleover
when Samuel Heathcote, father of Bache Heathcote, married sister and heir of John Harpur of Little-Over.
I cannot find any direct information about your own family, however understanding the Senior Branch of the
Harpur Family may give you some clues.

Magna Britannia Volume 5, can be found by searching on
 http://books.google.com/
in Search Box enter Magna Britannia + Littleover -  You should get the following result:-

Search ResultsMagna Britannia: being a concise topographical account of the ...: Volume 5 - Page lxxxvi
 Samuel Lysons - 1817 - 344 pages - Full view
The ancestor of Bache Heathcote, Esq., now of Little-Over, was of Derby at the time of his death, in 1618. Samuel Heathcote, Esq., father of Bache, married the sister and heir of John Harpur, Esq., of Little-Over, who died in 1754. ...


When you click on the result you are taken to the full book, you should then search for Harpur in the search box
on the left hand side of the page.  Note you can also download this book to your computer as PDF.
You can also, oin Google Books, just enter Harpur you will get many results

Another site to search is Access to Archives:-

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/advanced-search.aspx?tab=1

When page opens,

"all these words" box -  enter  Harpur
"Repository" box - select Derbyshire Record Office.

Any problems please come back.

Spendlove

[fofofo]

Hello once again! Thank you so much for your wonderful help. It is so frustrating for me to still be working and not having the time to come over and dive into the Derbyshire Record Office. The site of the National Archive gives a lot of clues.
I was able to get two pedigree's in which my ancestral line was depicted up to Joseph Harpur, the brick maker that I spoke of. So a lot of the pieces of the puzzle have fallen into place. I have now many new ancestors to record. As I am doing a total quarter, the Harpur family branches out into several noble families. One nice one I likes was the Plantagenet family! It will take still some time for me to find proof of all the findings. I am not one to just take information from the internet; I like to find proof and detailed documentation. Your help is wonderfull for me in trying to do so.
Please receive my heartfelt gratitude, (Marnix) Alexander de Paula Lopes

[KenG]

I have reason to believe that I am a decendant of the Harpur family of Derbyshire. I am hoping that you might be able to verify a few things.

First of all, my name is Marnix Alexander de Paula Lopes, born 29 Jul 1966 Johannesburg South Africa. I am the son of Derrick Henry de Paula Lopes, born 27 Nov 1920 Recife Brazil, died 06 Oct 1975 The Hague Kingdom of The Netherlands and Louise Pauline Desiree Happe, born 27 Aug 1931 Semarang Dutrch Indies. My father's mother was Gladys Copestake Harpur. She was born 16 Dec 1898 Norwood London, died 30 Mar 1966 Heemskerk Kingdom of The Netherlands.
Her parents were:
Henry Poles Copestake Harpur; born 28 Apr 1869  York Doncaster, General Draper, died 1955 Kent Surrey. Married 17 Aug 1897 Kent Surrey to Anne Elizabeth Parks; born 17 Dec 1867 Hoxton New Town Middlesex, died after 1898.
His parents were:
James Copestick Harpur; born 23 Jan 1835  Nottinghamshire, Commercial Traveller, died 14 Jun 1878 Doncaster York.
Note with James: He was boarding at Thomas Russell’s academy in Mackworth in 1841. 1841 census: Academy, Mackworth, Derbyshire James Copestick* 6 boarder born in county
Class: HO107/ Piece 189/ Book: 6/ Page: 1 *transcribed by Ancestry as “Apertick”.
There are 22 boys boarding at this establishment, ages ranging from 6 to 15. James is the youngest, and most boys are over 10.
The schoolmaster at Mackworth was Thomas Russell. Mackworth school was a Wesleyan Methodist establishment.
It seems he was baptised James Copestick and he was still James Copestick in 1851.
One possibility is that he changed his name to Harpur as a requirement of someone’s Will in order to benefit from a legacy. His grandfather Joseph Harpur perhaps? He died in August 1853.
James Copestike 1841 census: The 1841 census says ‘old Uttoxeter road’ (Uttoxeter is a place near Derby).
I located James Copestick as Burgess in a Derby History. Copestike James Gentleman Old Uttoxeter Road B (Burgess ~ Citizen of an English Borough). I also found him in a trade directory: ‘Copestick Jas. farmer Old Uttoxeter road’.
Address: 37 Young street, Doncaster York United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland [bron: Certified copy of an entry of birth of Henry Poles Copestake Harpur]
Occupation: Commercial Traveller [bron: Certified copy of an entry of birth of Henry Poles Copestake Harpur]
Religion: Wesleyan Methodist.
Married 14 Dec 1865 Wath upon Dearne Roterham York to Elizabeth Poles; born 1 Aug 1842 Wentworth Wath Rotherham York, baptised Wentworth Wath Rotherham York, died about 1917 Bromley Kent.
His parents were:
James Copestick; baptised 11 Oct 1805 Derby, Wheelwright, died before 25 Feb 1835 Draycott Derby. Note for James: St. Werburgh Derby. Note with death: Parish of Wilner.
No further children, he died before the baptism took place of his first child.
DERBY MERCURY 25TH February 1835
IN THE AFFAIRS OF JAMES COPESTICK
WHEELWRIGHT, DRAYCOTT:
All persons who have any claim upon the Estate & Effect of the late James Copestick, are required to send the same to Joseph Hooley, shoemaker, Draycott, in order to the same being examined and if correct, discharged. And all persons who stand indebted to the sale late James Copestick, are requested to pay the amount immediately to the aforesaid Joseph Hooley, who is legally authorised to receive the same.
Married 15 Apr 1834 Derby to Mary Harpur; born 13 Jun 1812 Husbands Bosworth Leicester, baptised Husbands Bosworth Leicester, died after 1834.
Her parents were:
Joseph Harpur; baptised 31 may 1779 Etwall, died Aug 1853. Note with Joseph: Lived in Rowditch near Derby at the time of the marriage of his daughter Mary. He was a Brick maker (Rowditch Farm). 1841 on census he is mentioned with his daughter Mary Copestake (Harpur) ~a widow (to James Copestake) at the time.
Joseph was married to Hannah NN (Nomen Nescio).

I found an article that stated that a junior branch of the Harpur family settled in Derbyshire and became brick makers. On a forum I asked for a photo and did get it. A lady in Utah saw this and told me that she had an article about the Harpur family from Derbyshire in which (Joseph) Harpur, a Brick maker from Derbyshire was mentioned. It was written by Maxwell Craven. It sais that Joseph Harpur’s father was Thomas Harpur who farmed at Littleover. His parents were Henry Harpur who married Elizabeth Wagg.

I believe therefore that I am a direct descendant of the first Baronet of Calke Abbey. My genealogical line of descendants is via his son William Harpur (of Bilston), father to the above mentioned Henry Harpur.

I wander if you can verify some of this data and might know of someone who might be able to compliment my research. I would be most greatfull to hear from you as I reside in The Netherlands.

Kind regards, (Marnix) Alexander de Paula Lopes

Hi Marnix

I was most interested to read the above as I am a direct descendant of John Harpur, Josephs twin.

I have a great deal of info on the family including a copy of a portrait of John, All you have quoted is correct although I never knew there were any relatives from Marys first marriage.

I have a picture of Marys grave in the Old Uttoxeter Road cemetery although I have failed to find where joseph is buried.

If I can be of any help feel free to let me know.

Ken.

[fofofo]

Hello Ken,

Thank you for your reply, needless to say that I am over the moon with your message and would like to exchange notes, data, copies of documents, photo's etc. I have been doing research for a long time, but only recently for my British roots *(my four grandparents were all born in different countries!). I was stuck for some time with the Harpur line because of the christian name 'Copestick/Copestake' I discovered that all Mary Harpur's children were given the name Harpur. Most likely because of the inheritance of her Father Joseph. Her Children had names like James Copestick Harpur & Joseph Harpur Camp. I have the willof Joseph Harpur, in which she is mentioned with her sister.
I would be really pleased if you could contact me at my e-mail address: fofofo1966@gmail.com