Stonemasons

[janglover]

Hi Everyone,
Just looking for some advice please. I have traced my ancestors to 1830s in Co. Kerry and have hit the proverbial brick wall. I have exhausted all church records. My family's name is Glover and there was a group of them living in Killeentierna in the early 1830s. They were all stonemasons and with a name like Glover, it is unlikely they were originally from Kerry. I am trying to find out where they came from before that. A local historian told me that they came from Northern Ireland to build churches. Does anyone have any idea if a register of stonemasons exists or is it possible to look up any Northern Ireland or UK census returns prior to 1830 to see if they were living somewhere else at that stage. Any suggestions/ideas would be much appreciated.
Many thanks

[Bilge]

Maybe this site can shed some light on your mystery:

http://www.unionancestors.co.uk/Stonemasons.htm

[behindthefrogs]

In 1830 the whole of Ireland was part of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland did not exist as a separate country.

You might find some information in the papers of the Masons' City Livery Company which are held in Guildhall Library in London.

David

[janglover]

Thanks for the leads Bilge and David. I will check them both out and see if something turns up. Thanks again for your help
Jan

[sharfoley]

Hi there,
I was delighted to find your thread regarding Glovers in Kerry. My great-grandmother was Mary Glover (nee Manning) from Dingle and was the poet/artist. She wrote the song Dingle Bay apparently. She was married to William Glover, stone-mason and they resided in Dingle.
I too am trying to search back the Glover and Manning line. Getting confused as to who was William Glover's (b.@1876 in Kileentierna) father. Was it George or another William as tracking back getting a bit confused at this point.
What have you found regarding military links? As I am fascinated also as to where they originated from.
Best regards
Shar

[janglover]

Hi there cousin !
William's parents were William and Gobnait (Brosnan) and they were married in Killeentierna in 1837. I have a copy of the register entry. My plan is to follow a lead to a Walter Glover from Castletownbere who may be William's (the older one)father. Unfortunately my lovely Mam died on Saturday so my head is all over the place. I was just checking my emails and noticed your post. I am going away for a couple of days and I will get back to you when I return. I have lots of information for you including a copy of Mary's poetry book. Where are you based ?
Kind regards
Jan

[sharfoley]

Hi Jan-Yes, we must be cousins!

I'm absolutely thrilled to hear any info you may have.Any info will be invaluable.
I remember my Grandmother mentioning a poetry book her mother had written.
I have never seen this book so would definitely love a copy.

I am based in the UK but travel over to Kerry regularly.

Still a bit confused about William Glover(my Great G.F) as he was born circa 1876.

I've tracked him in the 1901 census and he was boarding in Castle street, Tralee and aged 25.
His occupation is recorded as stonemason and his placeof birth is recorded as Kileentierna.

In the 1911 census he had moved to Dingle(presumably for work) and was boarding in Green Street,Dingle and my Great G.M Mary was also living in another address on Green Street.
His age is recorded as 35 and her age as 23.

As William and Gobnet married in 1837,I can't see how William could be there son!?

I'm thinking George Glover(son of William and Gobnet) and Agnes(O'Connor) could be his parents as they married in 1874.

Still researching but if you could shed any more light it would be fantastic and we can now work together towards a common goal!

I'm so sorry to hear about your Mum.

Shar

[janglover]

Hi Shar,
Don't panic, I replied to you earlier from work and did not have my Glover file. I have just checked and it turns out that William and Gobnait are George's parents. Their first child was William (my gg grandfather) born 1840, Catherine 1841,Peter 1844 and George 1853. As you have discovered George married Agnes Connor and they had William 1875 (your g grandfather) Catherine 1876, Peter 1879, James 1881, Ellen 1881, Margaret 1886, Dennis 1888 and finally John 1891. George and Agnes both died in Ranalough in 1927. I might have copies of their death certs.
When I started my search I thought that my ancestors might have wandered through Kerry looking for work but I was amazed to see them in 1830s. It is unusual to get to before the famine when researching in Ireland.  Our ancestors must have been made of strong stuff to survive the famine in such a remote area. Are you on GenesReunited, if you are I can send you a link to my tree. You can contact me on ^(*)  I  won't be back from Kerry until Tuesday so I will dig out some more stuff for you then.
Kind regards
Jan (based in Dublin)




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[djvg]

Hello Jan.
My sister Maureen and her daughter have just been on a four day visit to Dingle.
They were hoping to track down more information about our ancestries, Our grandmother Mary Glover/William Glover lived there.
Your name popped up. (if it is you)
Our family had a hand written exercise book of drawings and poems written by our grandmother Mary.
As  a child I can remember an old photo of a cottage,  Apple cottage/ orchard cottage / apple tree cottage /?? where Mary and William lived.
do you know anything about this lead?
kind regards from Denmark
jack