Eliza Doyle, b about 1845, Baltinglass, Wicklow

[wyanga]

Shanew 147
   Hi Shane, thank you for that piece of information, I wont be holding my breath waiting for more records to come to light. It would appear that my search for the family of Eliza Doyle is doomed, the only place left that may shed some light on it is the gravestone inscriptions for Baltinglass, that are held in Dublin.
  Incidently I visited Wicklow town about three years ago and quickly found that co Wicklow was the home of Doyles.
The landlady at the B&B said her name was Doyle and that 6 families lived in her street !!
  I would like to thank all Rootshat members who have helped me with this search, you have a wonderful organisation, keep up the good work.
Wyanga

[DeirdreDoyle]

My Dad was Brendan Doyle (son of Michael Joseph/mum Bridget)  They had 14 children - 12 surviving.  2 graveyards in Baltinglass - if you're related it won't be the Abbey one and I would find it hard to believe you are not related.  Michael took himself off to US (terrible times in Ireland and all that), managed to save a bunch a people in the San Francisco earthquake (he was a fireman) was decorated and received a pension.  He then found himself on another ship, lost an arm (and I guess received a pension from that).  At some point he found himself in Australia managing some kind of sheep farm (rings any bells?)  I can't believe he would be running a sheep farm with only one arm so maybe he did Australia first?  Anyway, he went 'home' to Ireland, married Bridget, bought a farm with the pension and everyone knew the Doyle farm in Baltinglass.  He did well with only one arm on that farm!  Uncle Jimmy had a mysterious past working for British Intelligence and Irish Intelligence at the same time and Uncle Ted moved to England and had one son.  The other two sons became Christian brothers (Brother Aidan died) and Brother Bernadine married a nun and has a bunch of kids somewhere.  Aunt Lucy was left run the farm but accidentally set fire to it when she was baking.  Hence the place is a ruin still.  4 aunts nuns and the only one alive was Sister Dymphna who retired to St Winnifred's convent in Shrewsbury.  She is the one who would know about her grandfather and her dad's relations.  Joseph was my great-grandfather.  I could try asking?  I doubt the name you want is Eliza (it's not a Doyle sounding name - would be Elizabeth - though we so many children, one would have received the name.  My dad recounts looking after a younger sibling in the farm who died at age 2 - I think they called him Michael John. 

[wyanga]

Hi DiedreDoyle
   Lovely to hear from a Doyle connected to Baltinglass. I had all but given up on trying to find my Eliza Doyles roots but maybe there is hope yet.
   My information is very sketchy coming from her marriage certificate and death certificate.
 On her marriage certif. 12 Sep 1865 in Sydney Australia to George Charles Toogood she gives her age as 22
born in Baltinglass with father John Doyle, farmer and mother Eliza Macasin. ( born abt 1843 ? )
   She must have been illiterate as she signed with her mark X, so she would not have been aware if Macasin had been mispelt.
  On her death certificate 26 June 1917 her age is given as 72  ( b orn abt 1845 ?) Just gives Fathers surname Doyle and birthplace Wicklow. Also says that she had been in the colony about 57 years so that would make her arrival about 1860.
  She was always known as Eliza here and gave her mothers name as Eliza, also named a daughter Amelia Eliza so I am pretty sure that the name was part of her family tradition. (for wont of a better word )

    If you can connect this infromation to your family it would be great, but Baltinglass is my only starting point
Wyanga

[wyanga]

I have gone back to the Griffiths valuation on the aboutireland site and checked on the parishes surronding Baltinglass.
 Baltinglass : Eliza Doyle , house in Delan St
 John Doyle , house in Delan St
 Ballynure : Griffinstown Upper, John Doyle house and garden
 There is also a John Cashen nearby
 Rathbran : John Doyle house offices and land ( abt 3 acres )
 John Doyle jun. house land offices and land ( 10 acres )
 Donaghmore: Leitrim, Eliza Doyle house offices and land ( 30 acres )
 Randalstown, John Doyle land ( 2acrs 3 R )
 John Doyle house and offices ( may be same person)
 

DeirdreDoyle
 The above quote from the Griffiths valuation records shows that there was a John Doyle and an Eliza Doyle in Baltinglass in about 1856/7.It has always been assumed that our Eliza emmigrated to Australia alone.
Wyanga

[wicklow way]

Hi wyanga,

Rootsireland.ie appears to have one Eliza Doyle baptised in Baltinglass (RC) between 1845-1855. Her parents names are listed as John and Eliza. Not too sure of her mothers surname though?

I have purchased Baptism Certs from here and the surnames of the Mothers in many cases have been mis-spelt or transcribed wrongly  . 

Also listed is  Richard Barry, baptised in Wicklow (COI), 1830-1840, mothers name is Bridget. This may be Elizas Stepmother and Stepbrother.
Hope this will be of some help.

Wicklow way

[wyanga]

Hi Wicklow Way,
                            That baptisim looked very promising and well worth a try, but it turned out that the Mother's name is Eliza Power.
  The baptism was Eliza Doyle 15 Aug 1849, Baltinglass Parish, Roman Catholic, Father John Doyle, mother Eliza Power.
  This John Doyle and Eliza Doyle could be the ones that I have found recorded in the Griffiths valuation.
 My Eliza was married in Sydney in 1865 when she claimed to be 22. This one would have only been 16 and there is the difference in the mother's name.
  Thank you very much for your help, I have printed it out and can come back to this one if needs be, but I think I will keep looking to try and get a better fit. As you said this was the only Eliza Doyle (RC) baptism for that period and the COI doesnt come up with any, since their records dont start until some time about 1877 .
  Wyanga

[Tara-Leigh]

Diedra Doyle is correct.  The name "Eliza" is shorten for "Elizabeth" ~ Once things got bad with the property taxes and famine many families were forced to not only separate but to go to other countries.  Most of the children if they were young were sent with the other family members (aunts and uncles) so they wouldn't be taken away due to proverty or being a widow.  The children that were taken away were sent to Catholic Orphanages...that in itself is a joke but the Swiss did keep very organized records.  I have a vast amount of information for both the "Doyle's" and the "Merrigan's" so I can be contacted and would be willing to swap notes.  Please contact through here or * ~ 

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