John ROBERTSON - Death in Victoria

[cando]

Hello....aren't we looking for the death of John ROBERTSON in Victoria

Kala would appreciate a response to the questions in my last post....unless you wish to leave it.

Cheers
Cando

[kala]

Sorry Cando,

Yes, I'm retyping my answer now as we just had a power blackout & I lost what I had written 

[kala]

Hi Cando,

Her death certificate says buried at Lancefield & the clergy's name is listed as Archibald Forsyth. Her brother James was witness to the burial & brother David the informant for her death.

No occupation at her death the eldest daughter was married & the other two girls were working as teachers & the son on the family property.

The family were well educated, religious & quite well off for those times they employed people to work on the large farm properties they owned.

It looks like I will have to start throwing some $'s at the Vic BDM's for a few certificates to find John by elimination 

[cando]

Okay but are you referring to the PATULLO family as successful farmers or the ROBERTSON family....it would appear you know very little about John's family. 

I would ask you to actually look at Elizabeth's death certificate again ie if you have it, and carefully note all the info, and if you have time type it up.  Does it actually say Elizabeth died at her daughter's home etc.  So often I have asked to have a look at a person's death cert and found info, notified the person requesting help with what I have have noted on the cert, to receive the reply.....oh I didn't see that or gosh I missed that.  It is the small details that really matter...well at times   I note you said she was buried at Lancefield....but was it Lancefield Cemetery? 

Trying to help you

Cando

Edit to correct sp.

[cando]

Perhaps this information may help - the Cemetery Trust would only have burial records from the date the Trust was formed.

Transcribed from Victorian Government Gazette #78, Date Friday July 31st 1863

LANCEFIELD - Site in the parish of Lancefield, for a Cemetery, temporarily reserved by Order of 27th July, 1863.  Six acres, county of Bourke, parish of Lancefield:  Commencing at the north-east angle at a post bearing east eighteen chains, more or less, from the north-west angle of the Melbourne Hill reserve; bounded on the north by a road bearing west, six chains; on the west by a line bearing south ten chains; on the south by a line bearing east six chains; and on the east by a line bearing north ten chains to the point of commencement (63.G.4870)  Gazetted (1°) on 31 July, 1863.

Trustees appointed 24 August 1863 and Gazetted Friday September 4th, 1863
John HALEY, William DOWDEN, Thomas FIELD, J.P.CONWAY, Thomas WOOD, R.S.GRAHAM and William HARRIMAN Senior.

Where were Elizabeth's brothers and their families buried? 

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

Her death certificate says buried at Lancefield & the clergy's name is listed as Archibald Forsyth. Her brother James was witness to the burial & brother David the informant for her death.

The surname FORSYTH and PATULLO are patrons of the Bulla Bulla School in this snippet.  I note that there is a student Archibald FORSYTH, son of the patron?  The minister of religion present is noted as such.   Perhaps Archibald FORSYTH was another settler in the area and was simply noted as a witness to Elizabeth's burial. 
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4825881?searchTerm=patullo

And a meeting called by the Presbyterians at Deep Creek re establishing a Presbyterian Minister - names include Archibald FORSYTH and David PATULLO.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/7146519?searchTerm=patullo

A Victorian death cert in 1860 has a column heading
Name and Religion of Minister or Names of Witnesses of Burial.
Is the religion of the minister noted on Elizabeth's death certificate?

What I am trying to work out is the relationship that the ROBERTSON family had with the PATULLO's.  Yes Elizabeth was their sister but were she and  John working for them or was he a landholder in his own right.  What importance was placed on her burial?   Is that John ROBERTSON's death in 1861 at Mickelham - not all that distant from Lancefield?  If he died alone there may not be a lot of info on the death certificate.  Hard to know.... and the cost of certificates certainly adds up

I can't find John ROBERTSON on the 1856 Victorian electoral roll.  He may not have been eligible to enrol  ie if he didn't own land or pay a certain amount in annual rental for either a dwelling or land. 

Just noted that David PATULLO according to the snippet, buried his son Thomas, at Campbellfield Cemetery in 1862. However another source has him buried at Will Will Rook cemetery [Broadmeadows] along with his father and many other PATULLO's however it is the same cemetery.

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/6481231?searchTerm=patullo

Cheers
Cando

[tedscout]

Hi Kala,

I live in Lancefield - half a km from the cemetary and around the corner from the historical society.

Can I be of any help?


Cheers, Ted

[normro]

 

Hi Kala
I have all Vic bdm ,can I help
Norma