John ROBERTSON - Death in Victoria

[kala]

Hi,

Probably not going to be an easy one but hopefully a process of elimination might find him with the help from people here 

I am looking for the death of John Robertson sometime after Mar 1854 in Vic a as that’s when he arrived from Scotland age listed as 34yrs occupation farmer. He arrived with his wife Elizabeth & four children Ann, Agnes, Jessie & James.

His marriage record from Scotland lists him as being of St Pauls Parish, Perthshire. I have everything on his wife’s & children’s BDM’s but I haven’t found John’s death 

Possibly he could have died before 1859 as that’s when his eldest daughter was married & he doesn’t appear as a witness on her marriage certificate only his name & occupation is recorded as her father. Her mother & uncle are the witnesses.

Another clue maybe is that when his wife died in 1860 it was her brothers are listed as informants & witnesses for her death again John is recorded as her husband with all the usual information of how long married, where & children’s names etc. She died at her daughter’s home in Lancefield.

His wife’s younger brothers & their families arrived in 1841 & were successful land selectors & farmers in the Bulla/Somerton/Will Will Rook/Craigieburn/Wollert & surrounding areas.

Can anyone possibly help me out with finding John’s death please?

Thankyou,

Kala

[cando]

Age is about right - born c1821 - your man born c1820.

Death
ROBERTSON John
Parents unknown  40 years  Born Scotland 
1861  Reg#7620

Have you checked the cemetery records to see if John is buried with his wife who died at Lancefield?

Cheers
Cando
 

[kala]

Have you checked the cemetery records to see if John is buried with his wife who died at Lancefield?

Yes, I have contacted Lancefield cemetery & the FHS there several times they both tell me that they don't have a burial listed for him nor can they find Elizabeth's burial in 1860 even though on her death certificate it clearly states she was buried at Lancefield including by whom & the clergy attending the burial, this I find very strange also.

[cando]

Kala does the item on the death certificate actually say Lancefield Cemetery or simply Lancefield.  There were many burials in church yards and on private land and I have noticed on some early certificates that word cemetery is not stated and could possibly mean just buried in the area of *******.  Was a minister's name noted or just the witnesses?

Quite often the names of informants really give no indication to living spouses etc.  It is not unusual to have other members or even members of extended family being noted as the informant of a death.

What was Elizabeth's occupation at the time of her death?  I only ask as if John had pre-deceased her she may have had to go into service to support herself and her children.

A little more about the 1861 death I posted previously.

Inquest Index
ROBERTSON John
Place Mickelham   1861
Ref# 374
Cause Chest Disease and excessive drinking
Occupation Farm Labourer

Cheers
Cando
 
 
 

[buckhyne]

Hi Kala,

I don't know if this will help but St. Pauls Parish, Perthshire is actually the parish of St. Pauls Church in the city of Perth, Perthshire.
It was built in 1807 so the date would fit in with the birth of John Robertson.

buckhind

[kala]

Thankyou Buckhind, but as I don't know his parents names it would probably be a feat trying to find his birth in any parish registers if they exsist 

He married Elizabeth at St Madoes, Perthshire. Her family have a long history in that parish & many of the family are buried in the church graveyard some with headstones still standing.

[buckhyne]

Hi Kala,

What about the kids names?
Using the Scottish naming pattern of the time, the eldest son & 2nd eldest daughter could be his parents names.
I had a quick look in the IGI and there are lots of him born about 1820.
If you stick to the ones born in Perth, perhaps you might get lucky.

[kala]

Hi Buckhind,

Ann the eldest & Jessie (female) the third child could be possibles...

Agnes the second child & James the last & only son are named after Elizabeth's parents.

They also had another child who was their first born named Elizabeth but she died as an infant & she is buried at St Madoes.

[buckhyne]

But James could also be the name of his father.
Look for a James and Elizabeth.