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Re: Caleb Irving engine driver Cape Town
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 May 11 07:37 BST (UK) »
Well Paul you've done well there. I used to be in touch with a relative called Ken Irving in West Sussex who was disappointed when I found our Irvings in Bledlow. He had a feeling they came from Scotland. Sadly died now a few years ago. A very nice gentleman. So you have these wonderful old records. I would like to see them. There was a time I thought my Irvings came from somewhere around (fogotten what the town was now think it was Winn/Wing or something in Bucks) and they got their Surname from that village. Like of Wing? But you might have the answer in that they came from Scotland Regards John Dedman

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Re: Caleb Irving engine driver Cape Town
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 May 11 10:30 BST (UK) »
I'd always wondered about the origin of the name. There were some URLWINs & URLWINGs in SE Bucks before 1700, but I couldn't find any connection to them, & they seemed to carry on after the IRVINGs (& variants) appeared elsewhere in the region. Searches of the IGI, & the local family history society databases, came up with the same conclusion, that there were no Irvings in the area before the 1690s, when several men with the name suddenly appeared.

I knew that IRVING was a common name in southern Scotland & the English border regions, but I didn't see why a bunch of Scots or northeners would all decide to come south at once. Then I heard, via Celia Renshaw, of Margaret Spufford's “The Great Reclothing of Rural England – Petty Chapmen and their Wares in the Seventeenth Century”, She took it so much for granted that many travelling chapmen were Scottish that she paid the fact little attention. I did a little digging, & the few scraps I found appeared to confirm it.

There was also a dissident connection, with Presbyterian Scots typically finding English dissenters more congenial than the Church of England. This fits quite well, as although they didn't leave any records I know of, we know there were noncomformist meetings in Bledlow in the late 17th century, & the names of some of the members - mostly from complaints by the church authorities. The family my William married into seems to have been involved. It all adds up.

I don't have any special records. I found the transcription of Bledlow PRs by Dexter Eustis useful (on May Lanchbury's website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~lanchbury/, where she also hosts my 1841 census transcriptions), but be aware that it's not complete, because he didn't have access to complete records. I'm able to visit the archives in Aylesbury, Oxford (though they're shut for the next month) & Reading, which is an advantage many people don't, & buy searches & CDs from the local familiy history societies, which anybody can. Other researchers have been helpful.
Irving, Shaw, Brown, Saunders, Surman, Witney, Washington, Eeles - oh, so many!