Caleb Irving engine driver Cape Town

[serchin]

I am trying to find out something about my great uncle Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving who emigrated to Cape Town when he was 18 in 1889.He was born in Greenwich England in 1871. He was an engine driver.I would like to know if there are any goverment records kept or parish reg where he might be registered getting married and baptising his children.

[dawnsh]

Hi Serchin

Welcome to Rootschat 

Can you give us his wife's name and the names and dates of birth of his children?

Do you need to know exactly when Caleb was born & baptised?

Dawn

[garstonite]

Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving was b september qtr 1871 in      Greenwich 1d 747

there is a marriage in Greenwich that looks like Calebs fathers
Caleb Irving married in june qtr 1871 to either Mary Allen or Mary Wavel...this is the only Caleb Irving marriage on www.freebmd.org.uk  so I would presume this is Caleb Edwin Jesse Irvings father and mother....but which Mary ....I`ll see if I can find out...allan
LUCKY YOU...
Caleb Irving was married in Greenwich Register office in 1871 to Mary Allen
Caleb Irving b 1850 in Greenwich , Kent
died 1903 in Greenwich ,Kent
Father was JESSE IRVING
Mother was RACHEL PEPPER......all on www.familysearch.org.uk   
so...dad was Caleb Irving...mum was Mary Allen
grandad was Jesse Irving ...grandmother was Rachel Pepper...of course you will have to clarify this with Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving birth certificate from 1871 (1d 747 )
  allan

[serchin]

I have been researching my family tree for 20 years along with many of my relations and knew all about the Irving family going back to Bledlow Bucks 1736, But we could not find  Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving born 1871 my great uncle whereabouts after he appears on 1881 Greenwich census aged 10. I only had his birth cert until I found a Mr C E J Irving on ancestry.com a few days ago as a passenger on a ship docking in London from Cape Town. He is 37 then and is an engine driver. Thank you for taking interest I hope to get something from the N A S A

[serchin]

Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving was the son of Caleb Irving and Mary Allen. They were married in the Greenwich Register Office in June 1871. And Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving was the first born in 1871 and then my grandmother Mary Irving was born in 1876. Caleb and Mary had 10 children. I have traced the Irving family back to Bledlow Buckinghamshire. 1736. To a James Irving. I would like to thank you all very much for your replies Regards John Dedman

[serchin]

Hi Dawnsh Gastonite thankyou for replies to my posts. Sadly I have just found out from a Mrs Heather MacAlister that my mysterious missing great uncle Caleb Edwin Jesse Irving who I have only had the birth cert for for the last 17 years  (b Greenwich Kent England) 1871. After coming back to Greenwich in 1908 he went back to the Cape Town and ended up in asylum somewhere down as a Lunatic. he was 37. Sad story but perhaps he knew he was very ill and wanted to see his mum again in Greenwich. Either that or when he got back home the Greenwich Union Workhouse (know for being rather stingy to say the least ) sent him packing again back to Cape Town. Looks like he might have died in the asylum in 1912 but i will have to check it out from what Mrs MacAlister has given me. I cannot believe I have found out so much about my great uncle in just two days of finding him mentioned on a ship's passenger list.

[PJI]

Have you been to Bledlow church? I have a photograph of the gravestone of your ancestor Elizabeth Irving (nee Page), buried there 1742, which I took in 2008.

Paul Irving

[serchin]

Hi Paul thank you for reply. Yes I have a photo of Elizabeth Irving's gravestone. When I traced my Irving family back to Bledlow my cousin went there and took a photo. And of the church and inside the church. I went back to 1736 at Bledlow with baptisms and burials. Regards John Dedman

[PJI]

If you ever find a connection between your James & my ancestors, or any of the other Irvings in the area, I'd be grateful if you'd let me know. I've looked, but not found one.

My ancestor William Irving appeared in Bledlow in 1697, marrying a local girl. There were no Irvings in Bledlow before that, & only two references I've found to Irvings anywhere in Buckinghamshire, Oxfordshire or Berkshire. But in 1697, three Irving men married in the area: my William at Bledlow, a James Irvin at Fingest, & William Urwing at St. Georges Chapel, Windsor. Three years later, in 1700 David Irwing, married at St. Georges Chapel. Christopher appeared in Marlow in 1713, already married.

David was a very unusual name for the area, but common in Scotland, where the name Irving (& variants) is also common. All the Irvings seem to have been connected with the cloth trade, & all except my William settled in Marlow at some point. Bledlow was a weaving village, & my William's wife was from a family of weavers. It's well documented that large numbers of Scots chapmen had begun travelling around England at the time, selling haberdashery, & it seems likely that all our Irvings were Scottish.

Your James was recorded as 'of Reading' when he married in 1736, & aged 39 at his second marriage in 1751, putting his birth about 1712. I'm pretty sure he's not the son of my William, because as well as not finding a christening, there's no mention of James or his family in William's will, January 1737/8, a month after James & Elizabeth christened a daughter in Bledlow. He could have been a son of one of the other Irvings.