James Short

[pDim]

Hi after the parent and family details of James Short born 1808 Lincolnshire and wife Charlotte Trim born 1809. James and Charlotte married in 1831 St Mary Donhead Wiltshire and had at least 4 children in Wiltshire. Thanks

[Geoff-E]

Where did the "Lincs" info come from ... there seem to be lots of local SHORTs in Donhead in the 1851 census.

Also, TRIM seems to be a Wilts name (none in my Lincs marriage index)

http://www.nationaltrustnames.org.uk/Map.aspx?name=TRIM&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name

[suzard]

Hi

Can you give more details ??

Where was Charlotte born??

There is a family in 1841 in somerset James 30, Charlotte 30, Job 7, Elijah 3, Reuben 9 and another child 10 mths none were born in Somerset -is this the family??

Suz

[suzard]

There are 2 trees on ancestry with Charlotte and James on them
one tree has
Charlotte Trim b 16 Dec 1810 Donhead St mary Wilts died 24 Feb 1888 Greytown NZ
married James Short

parents John Trim
and
Sarah Mocksin 1790-1860

James Short 1811-1889
born England
died NZ
parents

Edward Short b Kingsholme Lincolnshire
Frances Roberts




information on the 2 trees is not an exact match -

Suz

[suzard]

there is on IGI-extracted record

james Short christened 30 Dec 1810 St John Stamford Lincoln
Parents Edwd Short/Frances

I assume this is where the record on the trees has come from

How they have linked it to this James marrying Charlotte Trim I do not know -

Suz

[Geoff-E]

This is looking like one of those "be very careful" families.

It involves travelling over 80 miles, travelling though innumerable parishes from one end of Lincs to the other (Killingholme to Stamford via Osbournby) then carrying on for another 160 miles to Wiltshire.

Map http://tinyurl.com/2g8vwm3

[pDim]

I am actually asking for someone else. She states that she belives James and Charlotte were born in Lincolnshire, I think Wiltshire as at least 4 sons were born in Wiltshire. Charlotte was born abt 1809 James 1808 or there abouts. The children you have listed are their children. Another son Ebenezer short was born in Wellington New Zealand in 1845 and died in Sandon/Sanson in 1876 at a very young age. There seams to be a problem obtaining parents for both James and Charlotte, and this is were the problem is. HELP!

[Geoff-E]

I see you also have a thread on the Wiltshire board - I have linked it to this thread.

Looking at the 1851 census for Donhead. there were 3 adjacent SHORT households, all of them local people

James 64 + wife and dau
Thomas 51 + wife + 4
Betsy (wid) 60 + niece

all of them born at Donhead.

With a "home grown" supply of SHORTs, I'm surprised that anyone entertains the thought of bringing someone from over 200 miles away (unless there is reliable evidence for doing this of course).  I suspect the reason is the lack of Donhead Anglican baptisms (there are none) in the IGI.

[pDim]

Hi yes it seems very odd that they would move a distance, but they did seem to move around as Suz has suggested in her quote below:

There is a family in 1841 in somerset James 30, Charlotte 30, Job 7, Elijah 3, Reuben 9 and another child 10 mths none were born in Somerset

This is the family they also had other children in NZ. Ebenezer, Prudence, Charlotte, Alfred, Ryan, Henry, Isaac plus the other 3 listed. As an expert were do you suggest I look next.

Is it likely that the James 64 + wife is the father of James? Did this James only have the one child? Thanks Geoff-E