The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)

[Daisy Loo]

Just a little thought, and I may be way off base...but the info on the baptism, is only as good as the informant gives...so although Nathaniel White was down as pauper, this may have had more to do with him not wanting to take financial responsibility, could he either have deceived Mary, or perhaps Mary was covering for him...just another scenario.

[Siamese Girl]

Just a little thought, and I may be way off base...but the info on the baptism, is only as good as the informant gives...so although Nathaniel White was down as pauper, this may have had more to do with him not wanting to take financial responsibility, could he either have deceived Mary, or perhaps Mary was covering for him...just another scenario.

I wondered that but as the overseer who was responsible to try and chase up the bastardy bonds would also probably have been connected with the workhouse I'd imagine he would have known exactly who was in the workhouse 

Carole

[ShaunJ]

My understanding is that it was necessary to register as a pauper in order to receive free medical attention in a workhouse infirmary. Therefore all workhouse births were, by definition, pauper births.

[Daisy Loo]

My understanding is that it was necessary to register as a pauper in order to receive free medical attention in a workhouse infirmary. Therefore all workhouse births were, by definition, pauper births.

So if NB was born in a workhouse...wouldn't that mean that Mary must have registered as the pauper? Do we know where NB was born?

Added: (apologies if this has been covered already) http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?StMarylebone/StMarylebone.shtml - records are held at the LMA - could be worth looking up to see if Nathaniel was born there? - could offer more detail 

[Mongibello]

I went back to Islington Cemetery this morning, with my camera.  The Nathaniels are in there somwhere!

[Steven Bryceson]

Dear all,

I have spoken to my Nan about the illegitimacy story but have already told you all she knows - not very much, ie. that there was an illegitimate child born White whose name was then changed to Bryceson. Clearly this is NB

I loved the cemetery picture and look forward to searching there soon.

I am excited about trying to find some more living descendants of NB too!

And now, for something really exciting, I have recieved NB's death certificate.

I shall try to post it here!

Peace and joy,

Steven.

[nestagj]

I guess - his daughter as informant ?  Looking forward to seeing the cert !

I thought some of our cemeteries around here were bad - there are very few overgrown with trees though its usually just brambles and lots and lots of high grass.  The thing that always worries me is snakes  there is one church yard on the peninsula near where we live with a notice saying "Danger Adders, enter at your own risk"   !!! course I think that every time I see an overgrown church yard now !


Mongibello - brilliant photo - how much have you done about his descendants ?

N

[Ruskie]

Wow Mongibello! Thanks for making the trip and taking the photo. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm itching to get in there and explore!  

Is there anyone who can show you the exact location of the grave on a map, and tell you if there is (or was in case it has fallen) a headstone? (And if there is anyone else buried with the Nathaniels?)

It does look lovely and wild. Is it one of those cemeteries where the vegetation is protected or are you allowed to go tramping around?

It looks like a working party might be required. (I'm serious  )

I just saw your post Steven - thanks for talking to your Nan about this. I hope one of your new found cousins who you haven't met yet, will have heard the story too and maybe know a little bit more. Do you think you may be able to get a team together some time to have a stab at finding Nathaniel's grave in all that undergrowth?

[Steven Bryceson]

It is too big a file! So, here is the info:

SUB-DISTRICT: MILE END OLD TOWN SOUTH WESTERN

WHEN AND WHERE DIED
23rd March 1911, 102 Dempsey Street

NAME AND SURNAME
Nathaniel Bryceson

SEX
Male

AGE
84 years

OCCUPATION
Formerly a commercial clerk

CAUSE OF DEATH
Senile Degeneration Exhaustion (Certified by J W Fordham L R C P)

SIGNATURE, DESCRIPTION AND RESIDENCE OF INFORMANT
H. Bryceson, son, in attendance, 28 York Rd, Forest Gate

WHEN REGISTERED
23rd March 1911

SIGNATURE OF REGISTRAR
E A Parsons Deputy Registrar

END