Author Topic: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)  (Read 46222 times)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #207 on: Friday 30 July 10 13:48 BST (UK) »
The Stangrooms are at 102 Dempsey St in 1901 too.  ;)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #208 on: Friday 30 July 10 14:28 BST (UK) »
It gets better - I've started working my way down the Stangroom children and have found one descendant born in 1966 - obviously can't publish name cause of living people but will post the line down as far as I can when I've deciphered my notes - two children of Sarah done - one to go !
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #209 on: Friday 30 July 10 14:39 BST (UK) »
Yes, please do N. Maybe you could send names of the living to anyone interested via PM, especially Steven who might be interested in contacting potential cousins.  :)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #210 on: Friday 30 July 10 15:12 BST (UK) »
I've also been on a mission to find Dempsey St. I'm sure Mongibello is correct as the layout of the streets in that area then and now point to something destructive occurring (eg fewer streets and inexplicable dead ends).
I have also located it both on Cross's 1861 map and Booth Poverty Map where it is classed as "pink" - "fairly comfortable, good ordinary earnings"

Its in the map I linked to earlier, runnign north south and the link you posted to the discussion also backs my proposal of where it would be in modern day. The Wikipedia link to Stepney below states that Stepney was a poor area and was pretty much destroyed in WW2 - hence it being quite different in modern day


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepney

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The area was rapidly built up in the 19th century, mainly to accommodate immigrant workers and displaced London poor, and developed a reputation for poverty, overcrowding, violence and political dissent.[1] It was severely damaged during the Blitz, with over a third of housing totally destroyed, and then 1960s slum clearance and development replaced most residential streets with tower blocks and modern housing estates, though some Georgian architecture and Victorian era terraced housing survive in patches, such as Arbour Square, the eastern side of Stepney Green and the streets around Matlock Street.[


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #211 on: Friday 30 July 10 15:30 BST (UK) »

Booth says Mile End Road and Commercial Road were "largely middle class and well to do", and the area between the two streets, which included Dempsey St, mainly "fairly comfortable with good ordinary earnings". If you look at the occupations of the people living near the Stangrooms on the 1901 census, this tends to back this up.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/09c7/

In the 40 odd years between Booth's survey and WW2 it may have changed. I cannot comment on the housing in area in the 19th century with any authority but Booth points towards it being a decent area at that point in time.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #212 on: Friday 30 July 10 15:35 BST (UK) »
Morning all  :D

Just checking in ... Oh My you have all been busy ... Great Stuff!!!

I agree Ruskie ...... Wouldn't it be fab to find Granny's and mother's graves!

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Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #213 on: Friday 30 July 10 15:43 BST (UK) »
Good evening Deb.  ;)


Wouldn't it be fab to find Granny's and mother's graves!

deb

Maybe Monibello will be able to help us with this too?  ;D

Please?  ;)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #214 on: Friday 30 July 10 15:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie

I think we should also pay homage to Nathaniel White ...he is, after all, Nathaniel's Dad!

I wonder where he would be buried ....maybe hard to find as we don't know his age etc  ::)

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Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #215 on: Friday 30 July 10 15:52 BST (UK) »
On the map Dempsey St was roughly where the narrow lane is, just to the East of Jamaica Street.
I have a printout of the 1911 census of the Stangrooms but never bothered to check.