The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)

[steve_gus]

from sky

[Ruskie]

Hi all

I have received a reply :

Subject: RE: Nathaniel Bryceson

I have no idea whether Nathaniel Bryceson wrote a famous diary. I altered the entry because his Mother and siblings bear the correct names to be the wife (Ann) and children of Nathaniel Bryceson. I am not directly related - It is through a marriage into the family around 107 and I did some further research to trace the family.


 

I do not understand this. Is she saying that there is a Nathaniel Bryceson who has a mother Ann and siblings as noted in this 1841 census entry? And is she also saying that Nathaniel Bryceson married an Ann and his chidren's names are the same as in this 1841 census entry? I'm confused. 

There IS only one Nathaniel Bryceson isn't there? I think 'ours' is the only one in that area at that time, isn't he?

I think the change made in this census is incorrect.

[Ruskie]

Hi

Fantastic find for the grave

Here is a map of the cemetary

http://www.islington.gov.uk/DownloadableDocuments/Environment/Pdf/cemeteries/islingtonstpancras_cemetery_map.pdf

Confusing the way its labelled - looks to me that Nat might be in the bottom right hand corner between raleigh rd and parkers rd  (V in light grey, 2 in bold)

Looks quite wooded.........

Would there be help available at the cemetery to find the grave/gravesite?

It appears tht Nathaniel jnr must have been ill to be hospital when he died, but what about Nathaniel snr? I wonder why he was living in Dempsey St? That's out of his usual area. Perhaps a family member was living there and he was living with them? What kind of street was Dempsey St?

Such a shame that neither left wills. I would have thought that Nathaniel would have left one. 

[deb usa]

Morning Ruskie


I COMPLETELY agree with you .... I think a change should be made to the change ...if you get my drift  

The 1841 Nathaniel seems to be with the head of house as Ann and other younger 'siblings" ..the problem is there is no status column ...so what if NB is with cousins .... well, I will say ...NB was an only child, born of Nathaniel WHITE and would most probably be with his Mum, Mary Bryceson, in 1841. There is no mention made in the diary that Nat had siblings let alone an aunt Ann or mother Ann.....  

on a more positive note:

Thanks Steve-gus ..great stuff .... how on earth do we find a grave in those woods ...eeekkkk ...I think Steven needs  guys with lots of sticks ...

I thought I'd never find a grave in Abney Park but did so with the help of a volunteer with a stick!

deb

[Ruskie]

Thanks Steve-gus ..great stuff .... how on earth do we find a grave in those woods ...eeekkkk ...I think Steven needs  guys with lots of sticks ...

I thought I'd never find a grave in Abney Park but did so with the help of a volunteer with a stick!

deb

Steven you must find the grave. 

(And take flowers as well as sticks .... or maybe a petrol strimmer.)

[Ruskie]

I COMPLETELY agree with you .... I think a change should be made to the change ...if you get my drift  

The 1841 Nathaniel seems to be with the head of house as Ann and other younger 'siblings" ..the problem is there is no status column ...so what if NB is with cousins .... well, I will say ...NB was an only child, born of Nathaniel WHITE and would most probably be with his Mum, Mary Bryceson, in 1841. There is no mention made in the diary that Nat had siblings let alone an aunt Ann or mother Ann.....  

No, wrong family - wrong surname - Bryan. Our Nathaniel isn't related to anyone called Bryan. I'm sure the only family he has are the ones we know about. Didn't you find the same family in 1851 Deb? I'm going to have look ....

Is it the family with father Benjamin, mother Ann in 1851? I looked for son ALfred as he has the most unusual name, and there are two - one of the right age in prison in 1851.  Not sure which is the correct family. Did we already try to trace this Bryan family and their b,m,d's? I can't remember but I think we did?

I've got to go out soon but will get onto it later if no-one else beats me to it. 

[deb usa]

hey Ruskie

yep ..I think we followed the Bryan family and Alfred was in jail for something or other ...maybe part 2 ... I know I did mentuon the fact that the 1841 did not make sense as NB was supposedly with sibs and a mother callled ANN ...not correct as his mum was MARY!!!!

Blimey ...I think we need a new summary as so much more has been found ... If I can or have time available I will get onto it ...

deb

[deb usa]

Thanks Steve-gus ..great stuff .... how on earth do we find a grave in those woods ...eeekkkk ...I think Steven needs  guys with lots of sticks ...

I thought I'd never find a grave in Abney Park but did so with the help of a volunteer with a stick!

deb

Steven you must find the grave. 

(And take flowers as well as sticks .... or maybe a petrol strimmer.)

 

[deb usa]

No entries ... arghhhhh  ...I think Steven needs to give us a little of what's to come on the 9th August .....

Come on Steven ... just a liiiiiiiittle clue , please   

deb, impatient