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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #81 on: Thursday 22 July 10 23:56 BST (UK) »
The money would have been paid to the overseer to track down the fathers. The idea was to get the woman to confess the name of the father before the baby was born - as Nat was born 5 June 1826 and the accounts date from April it must mean Nathaniel White was acknowledged as father before the birth - but if he was in the workhouse and a pauper there wouldn't be much point in trying to get him to pay  ???

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He wouldn't have fibbed about being in the Workhouse to avoid being chased for payments would he? 

And does tht mean that if Nathaniel didn't pay then there would be no further record of him? If he did pay, might there be something? ANything? A little clue is all we need ...  :-\

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #82 on: Thursday 22 July 10 23:57 BST (UK) »
Steven ...

NATHANIEL BRYCESON:

Baptised: Nathaniel WHITE
Son of: MARY BRYSON and Nathaniel WHITE
Born: 4 June 1826 (Work house)
Chr: 4 July


would the parish being looking for Nathaniel White BEFORE Nathaniel White/Bryceson was born ...??
Dear all, In response to an earlier point, it is the Minutes of Guardians of St Marylebone, 28 April 1826, Accounts of Edward Biggs, Overseer, which make reference to cash paid apprehending Valentine Simmons, Joseph Jacobs and Nath. White for barstardy £1.11s.6d. Peace, Steven.
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #83 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Carole ...thanks ...you cleared up my post with your previous one ... I think LOL

morning Ruskie  ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #84 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:02 BST (UK) »
Can anyone remember who else used to attend the Tottenham Court Road Chapel or was it just Ann?

Where are London non-conformist records held?


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #85 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:06 BST (UK) »
I've just answered my own question. According to Genuki:

The majority of historical church records for London and Middlesex are held by four repositories:

•London Metropolitan Archives hold records for most Anglican parishes in Middlesex, though the registers for a few ancient parishes have not been deposited, and some are elsewhere. They also have a wide range of 19th and 20th century non-conformist records. All registers held at LMA are listed on the London Generations Database.

•Guildhall Library holds records for most Anglican parishes in the City of London, and some of the Middlesex parishes that adjoin the City.

•The City of Westminster Archives Centre holds records for most Anglican parishes in the former Metropolitan Borough of Westminster (corresponding to the southern part of the current City of Westminster), though some from this area are not deposited and others are at LMA.

The National Archives hold registers from non-conformist and non-parochial Anglican churches and chapels surrendered to the Non-parochial Registers Commissions of 1837 and 1857.

•The Westminster Abbey Library & Muniment Room holds records for a few Anglican churches in Westminster.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #86 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:07 BST (UK) »
ummm not sure Ruskie ...I know that Mrs S attended the Jewry one ...as you can tell I am not up on chapels vs churches etc..... did NB go with Ann to the Tottenham Court Chapel .... maybe we need to reread the diary AGAIN ... new things are awlays being questioned ...which is great.

Wasn't there a good friend of Mary , Nat's mum, who would bring her stuff ... Ann otherwise Eliza?

BTW I just chopped my fringe I have decided I would like a Coco Chanel Look ...LOL  ::) 8) ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #87 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:19 BST (UK) »
Now you're asking Deb. It might have been that Nat went to Chapel with Ann - I know it has been mentioned (a few times?) before and I was just wondering if people stuck to their own religions and churches or they just went anywhere that was local. I remember that Mrs S travelled a long way to her church - a poor old lady walking all that way and being followed home by a 19 year old.  ;)

Yes, Mary's friend what's her name? Common surname ...  :-[  You looked everywhere for her Deb - we even had the address where she worked - St James something? She wasn't to be found.


BTW I just chopped my fringe I have decided I would like a Coco Chanel Look ...LOL  ::) 8) ;D

you'll have to wear a wig if you intend to play Ann - I'm sure she didn't have a Coco Chanel fringe.  ;D

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #88 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:27 BST (UK) »
 ;D ;D ;D

I am sure if Ann knew who Coco Chanel was she would have been Coco's Advertisement ...perfume, clothes. hair, pearls LOL  ...... Blimey ... do you realise we are discussing people who actually lived ... I wonder what it was like to be her ....

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added ...I know that sounded insane ...but really ..they had a "now' as do we....
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #89 on: Friday 23 July 10 00:47 BST (UK) »
;D ;D ;D

I am sure if Ann knew who Coco Chanel was she would have been Coco's Advertisement ...perfume, clothes. hair, pearls LOL  ...... Blimey ... do you realise we are discussing people who actually lived ... I wonder what it was like to be her ....

deb

added ...I know that sounded insane ...but really ..they had a "now' as do we....

So you see ANn as being glamourous? She must have had something going for her to keep Nathaniel interested.  ;)

You're not at all insane wondering these things Deb. We know a lot more about these people than most of us do about our own ancestors - thanks to Nathaniel.  :) He has brought them to life. Even the tiniest little detail he reveals helps us to understand them and the times they lived in. It's great! Thanks Nathaniel! Although I'm sure he'd die of embarassment if he knew the world was reading his shorthand, it gives us even more of an insight.

I was wondering if Nathaniel got the idea about writing the 'personal details' in shorthand from Samuel Pepys? I'll bet he read Pepys Diary.  :)