The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)

[Ruskie]

Welcome to Part 4.

Judging by what Steven has said, there is a lot to look forward to in Nathaniel's Diary so I've locked Part 3 as we have now reached the limit of 20 pages, and we can continue our discussion here.

I must thank the moderators for letting us continue with this thread in The Common Room. It's giving many of us a lot of pleasure and it may not have been found by so many if it was on The Lighter Side. 

I hope that in Part 4 some more descendants of Nathaniel may find us and join our discussion.


For anyone who wants to catch up .....

Part 1:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,457330.0.html

Part 2:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,459757.0.html
On page one of Part 2 is a recap of our discoveries and a timeline.

Part 3:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,464660.0.html

And Nathaniel's Diary:
http://www.westminster.gov.uk/services/libraries/archives/victorian-clerk/

[Steven Bryceson]

I'll definately spill the beans on Ann's age tomorrow as I am sure it is in all our interest to try and find out as much as we can about her before we get to nearly the end of the year! Peace, Steven.

[Ruskie]

I'm going to start by replying to Steven.

The Archive Library has now put an account of my visit on its blog - http://wcclibraries.wordpress.com/
Fabulous - I will check this out in a minute.  

The records of the poor law guardians are at Kew records office.
So is this the same as Bastardy Bonds/Records? Fancy a trip to Kew Steven?  

I did see a print out of the baptism entry which seems to have "pauper" and "workhouse" clearly next to the father's and not the mother's entry.
This is on the new London PRs on Ancestry. I agree that 'Pauper' is Nathaniel White's 'occupation' although the word is written centrally (it would be unusual for a mother's occuption to be noted on a baptismal entry). There is a big W and H written underneath it. The W and H look to be in between both parent's names, so not conclusive.

I did discuss the notion of the library printing images of the orginal diary in due course so that people can check transcription against the original.
That would be wonderful. I think they should publish it in a book in it's original form (but smaller  ) for purchase. Maybe they could also include the transcription, Nathaniel's family tree etc. I'd buy it!

The size of the diary relates to the fact that it it was written in an old accounts book - all this info is on the WCC Introduction page I think.
I didn't realise that. I don't remember reading about it but I have a dreadful memory.

Yes, I enjoy keeping you in suspense but also want to give adequate time for people to object to me spilling the beans oin Ann's age!
I thought you enjoyed teasing us.   I'd like to know Ann's age!

STEVEN you said you'd tell us Ann's age TOMORROW and it IS tomorrow! It's my tomorrow anyway, so can you tell me? PM me now - I'm waiting. You're right, it IS VITAL that we know Ann's age.  

 
 

[deb usa]

Morning Ruskie

Evening here ...so as usual having some red wine and dinner shortly ....

If Ann Fox has been lying madly about her age I'll kill her ... or errr I'll be really upset!!!   I have searched marriages for her but the age always seems off ...strange thing is, is that she got older rather than younger as we found in part 1

1841
St Pancras
STEPHEN STREET
Lots of people all living in seperate "rooms?"
including:
SOPHIA OLLIVE 50 DRESSMAKER Y
ANN FOX 30 F S , yes

(refer to diary and mention of Mrs. Olive)

1851
27 Stephen Street
Cock Family
John BURNS
Mary Elizth KENNINGTON, unm 63, mangling , b Middlesex, St James, Picadilly
ANN FOX, 49, Charwoman, b Middlesex, Queen St


deb

red post ...hi Steven ...I do enjoy the way you sign off ...Peace/Joy  

[Ruskie]

Just read the Westminster Archives blog, and I see they are planning a book! I'm very pleased.  Fabulous plug for Rootschat. Thanks for telling them about us Steven. THis is all very exciting!

Hi Deb. Great idea to post those censuses to refresh our memories in preparation for Steven telling us Ann Fox's age!

HINT HINT!!!! Steven

[deb usa]

Question for Steven

Did you have to prove your lineage in order to see the HUGE diary?

deb

[Aniseed]

Great article about your visit on the Westminster Archives blog, Steve...they were obviously chuffed to see you! It must have been great for them, as they've probably got very much into the diary and Nathaniel's doings, and to see you is a link to him, if you see what I mean!

Thanks for putting the link up Ruskie, it was very kind of you!

OK, considering putting up a Z-bed and camping out in the thread until Steve tells us Ann's age! I'll probably go to my own bed instead, though!

[deb usa]

Ruskie

should I post the summaries again ?...just for easy reference ...then maybe I could add to them from subsequent threads ....

deb

[Ruskie]

So we have Ann Fox born in 1811 according to the 1841 census, and born in 1802 according to the (usually more accurate) 1851 census.

Now I'm getting worried that we have the wrong Ann Fox. Surely not considering her address and who she is living with.

I would really love to find out more about her - her parents, family, children?, marriage/s?, what her appeal was to Nathaniel .... etc ....

Deb, I also wondered if Steven had to show his ID but I think they'd trust his word with him being a man of the cloth   Are you thinking of rocking up and telling them you're a descendant so you get to touch 'the book'?