The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)

[deb usa]

Hi Steven

I can't imagine what this must be like for you!

I think somehow we have all become part of Nathaniel's 'family'! 

deb

[deb usa]

Hi everyone

I have been googling NB today and found this:

added : SCRAP THIS ... Martha Browning as the lady hanged for murdering Elizabeth Mundell ...
 

Has this woman's name been mentioned yet?

Martha Browning: Coal Person Biographical Entry
The name "Martha Browning" has appeared in 5 articles that referenced Coal on 3 different days. The name may have appeared supporting this topic, against it, or in a separate context in the article. This biographical entry simply demarks the name Martha Browning as having appeared in articles suggesting context with Coal.

Articles in which this person appears also mention the following names:

Name:                     Count :
Nathaniel Bryceson     5  
Elizabeth Mundell        5 
Sarah Clark                2 
St James                    2 
Londoner Nathaniel Bryceson  1 


not sure what this is all about ...but I found it interesting that NB was mentioned as was Sarah Clark .... NB's wife's name!

deb

[Steven Bryceson]

NB mentions Martha Browning in January and it seems several articles about the serialization of the Diary quote this reference along with info about NB (his wife, work, etc). Peace, Steven.

[deb usa]

Thanks Steven

I had just made an addition to my last post near the top .... I  realised that martha had murdered Elizabeth Mundell and  was hanged for it. 

deb

[steve_gus]

Senile Degeneration Exhaustion might just be a complicated way of saying Old Age?

Dictionary def of Senile (or one of them) is 'old' - its not paired in this case with the word dementia.  A google of the phrase comes up with very little.

Re the burial site - at least it looks like trees and not gorse bushes - you might be able to wear a couple pairs of jeans and a couple stout coats and head covering and push through some of whats in the picture - with gorse bushes you will likely be calling the fire brigade in a few metres to extract you.

I think if we did se a pic of Nat that might also be a bit of a shock, as in our minds Nat is 20, a pic is likely to show an old man. But still good to see none the less.

[Ruskie]

re : Nathaniel White

another death:

Nathaniel White: New street, St John, Horselydown, age 52, buried 6 August 1834

I am trying to wrap my head around this ... Mary's husband John dies ...she get together with NW and has NB. Granny must have been maybe just a little upset with Mary  . Why didn't Mary marry NW? Was NW much older than her or maybe even younger than her?

NW could have died before 1841.

1841:
Tower Hamlets, hackney
Nathaniel White, 40, MS , NBIC

or ...what if NW was already married?

Tottenham
High rd
Nathaniel White, 30, tallow??chandler ?? with wife and children ...

Of course Deb! It's possible that Nathaniel White died before 1841.

I think we mentioned this before, but if Nathaniel White was ill and unable to work I suppose he may have been a pauper and in the workhouse. If he died this would explain why he and Mary didn't marry or stay together.

I think it would be very worthwhile to try to locate the (likely) workhouse registers.

And maybe we should be looking for the death of a NW who was a cabinet maker?  What a job! 

It's impossible to know what Granny Shepard thought about Mary and her relationship with Nathaniel White but gee I'd love to find out! 

[Ruskie]

Remember "Nathaniel Bryceson lives on" Ruskie!

He does Steven - he does. 

[Ruskie]

Senile Degeneration Exhaustion might just be a complicated way of saying Old Age?

Dictionary def of Senile (or one of them) is 'old' - its not paired in this case with the word dementia.  A google of the phrase comes up with very little.

Re the burial site - at least it looks like trees and not gorse bushes - you might be able to wear a couple pairs of jeans and a couple stout coats and head covering and push through some of whats in the picture - with gorse bushes you will likely be calling the fire brigade in a few metres to extract you.

I think if we did se a pic of Nat that might also be a bit of a shock, as in our minds Nat is 20, a pic is likely to show an old man. But still good to see none the less.

Yes Steve you may be right about the cause of death. Your logic makes sense. 

So are you volunteering to be part of the 'working party' to locate the grave? 

Yes you're right about our perception of Nat being of a young person and seeing him as elderly would be a bit of a shock. At the moment I'm visualising him as looking the same as Henry (in the picture posted by Steven).

Mongibello - have you seen the picture? It's hidden away in one of the other threads, but I'll see if I can track it down. 

ADDED:
The photo of Henry Bryceson, Nathaniel's son, is on
Part 3, page 7

[steve_gus]

I would like to think of him as a 20 YO such as in the diary, a lot like myself in fact if I imagine 31 years away

Nats grave is only 5.2 miles from my parents house - which however is 70+ miles from mine. I would certainly like to visit....... but I think a bit of up front preparation needed and ideally with all those trees winter would be a better option = no leaves.

I note the death cert says former clerk - if nat had worked his way to being an Accountant, I wonder why it doesnt state that instead?

steve