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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #234 on: Saturday 31 July 10 13:48 BST (UK) »
Oh thank you for the information Steven. Now we have a date.  ;D Your gggrandfather (hope I've got the coreect number of 'greats') was the informant! Did you have his address prior to this?

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #235 on: Saturday 31 July 10 13:52 BST (UK) »

WHEN AND WHERE DIED
23rd March 1911, 102 Dempsey Street

NAME AND SURNAME
Nathaniel Bryceson

AGE
84 years

CAUSE OF DEATH
Senile Degeneration Exhaustion (Certified by J W Fordham L R C P)


Although he lived to a good age and he's not my ancestor, I still find this quite sad ...

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #236 on: Saturday 31 July 10 13:56 BST (UK) »
My understanding is that it was necessary to register as a pauper in order to receive free medical attention in a workhouse infirmary. Therefore all workhouse births were, by definition, pauper births.

So if NB was born in a workhouse...wouldn't that mean that Mary must have registered as the pauper? Do we know where NB was born?

Added: (apologies if this has been covered already) http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?StMarylebone/StMarylebone.shtml - records are held at the LMA - could be worth looking up to see if Nathaniel was born there? - could offer more detail  ???

Hi Daisy. I too was wondering if there was anything more we could find out about this.

Mongibello, I'm not sure if this is something you would be able or willing to try to chase up?

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #237 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:07 BST (UK) »

WHEN AND WHERE DIED
23rd March 1911, 102 Dempsey Street

NAME AND SURNAME
Nathaniel Bryceson

AGE
84 years

CAUSE OF DEATH
Senile Degeneration Exhaustion (Certified by J W Fordham L R C P)


Although he lived to a good age and he's not my ancestor, I still find this quite sad ...

I know what you mean, Ruskie.  To us, Nat is a young man, with his life unrolling in front of us and knowing how and when he died is like seeing into his future.  I'm getting all philosophical and existential here....sigh
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #238 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:17 BST (UK) »

WHEN AND WHERE DIED
23rd March 1911, 102 Dempsey Street

NAME AND SURNAME
Nathaniel Bryceson

AGE
84 years

CAUSE OF DEATH
Senile Degeneration Exhaustion (Certified by J W Fordham L R C P)


Although he lived to a good age and he's not my ancestor, I still find this quite sad ...

I know what you mean, Ruskie.  To us, Nat is a young man, with his life unrolling in front of us and knowing how and when he died is like seeing into his future.  I'm getting all philosophical and existential here....sigh

You've put that very well Alpine. I'm not usually sentimental even with my own ancestors - but I know Nathaniel a lot better than my own .... and I'm very fond of him.

It sounds a bit weird but not knowing where he was buried or having his death certificate kindof felt like he was still alive - now this is all so final. It's got me thinking about December and that final diary entry ... :'( Not looking forward to that at all ...

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #239 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:33 BST (UK) »
I am thinking/hoping that as Nathaniel didn't die until 1911, that there just MAY be a photograph of him somewhere ...  ;D

I think we need to find some more descendants in case one of them has a photo. Possibly more likely to be with the Stangrooms as he lived with them?

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #240 on: Saturday 31 July 10 14:51 BST (UK) »
Morning all

WOW ...you guys have been busy while I was sleeping .....

The Photo is FABULOUS ...thanks Mongibello  :)

 :'( .... I too am sad at how Nat died.... I wonder if senile degeneration in those days equals Alzheimers  of these days.  :-\

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #241 on: Saturday 31 July 10 15:31 BST (UK) »
re : Nathaniel White

another death:

Nathaniel White: New street, St John, Horselydown, age 52, buried 6 August 1834

I am trying to wrap my head around this ... Mary's husband John dies ...she get together with NW and has NB. Granny must have been maybe just a little upset with Mary  :-\. Why didn't Mary marry NW? Was NW much older than her or maybe even younger than her?

NW could have died before 1841.


1841:
Tower Hamlets, hackney
Nathaniel White, 40, MS , NBIC

or ...what if NW was already married?

Tottenham
High rd
Nathaniel White, 30, tallow??chandler ?? ith wife and children ...

screen wobbly  will be back

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Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #242 on: Saturday 31 July 10 17:50 BST (UK) »
Remember "Nathaniel Bryceson lives on" Ruskie!