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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #162 on: Thursday 29 July 10 02:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Deb - yes I had a quick look on Ancestry but can't see anything obvious about how to make changes. I suppose they don't want to make it too easy to find or they'll have thousands of people pointing out errors.  ;D I'm hoping someone who's already done it will be able to tell us what the process is.

About today's entry - the word beginning with "pa..." which they were unable to decipher (I think they use the ...... when they can't decipher a word?) - surely it must be "parsonage"?  :)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #163 on: Thursday 29 July 10 04:11 BST (UK) »
One of the 6 boys born before Charlotte of Commercial Road was Thomas Henry Billington son of Thomas (servant) and Ann born April 30th 1846 at 25 Commercial Road.
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #164 on: Thursday 29 July 10 08:31 BST (UK) »
I see it's heating up in 1846 London - the bugs are breeding well on all that human and animal waste. I bet the Thames really stinks, although I don't suppose that would put Nat off swimming in it.

It's nice to see St Barnabas is still there - a lot of Victorian churches didn't last too long. I don't imagine it would have suited anyone in the diary I think it was far too high church for them. What a shame he missed seeing Prince Albert. I assume the Prince was visiting the slate works because he was ordering a billiard table and you can see the actual table here http://www.normanclare.co.uk/DOY_No7_Magnus.html (isn't the internet wonderful!)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #165 on: Thursday 29 July 10 08:34 BST (UK) »
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I wonder how we can clear up the 1841 census where someone has changed the name of Bryan (Ann plus kids including Nathaniel) to BRYCESON?

You can check who made the change by going into "view record" then clicking on the alternate name entry. You can then click on the contributor's user name and send a message. She was last online last week.

To contribute an alternate name or correction you go to "view record" and click on "view/add alternate info" . It's very simple and they send an email when they have actioned it.
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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #166 on: Thursday 29 July 10 09:45 BST (UK) »
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I wonder how we can clear up the 1841 census where someone has changed the name of Bryan (Ann plus kids including Nathaniel) to BRYCESON?

You can check who made the change by going into "view record" then clicking on the alternate name entry. You can then click on the contributor's user name and send a message. She was last online last week.

To contribute an alternate name or correction you go to "view record" and click on "view/add alternate info" . It's very simple and they send an email when they have actioned it.

Oooh goody! Thanks ShaunJ.  ;D

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #167 on: Thursday 29 July 10 13:23 BST (UK) »
I see it's heating up in 1846 London - the bugs are breeding well on all that human and animal waste. I bet the Thames really stinks, although I don't suppose that would put Nat off swimming in it.

 ;D

What a shame he missed seeing Prince Albert. I assume the Prince was visiting the slate works because he was ordering a billiard table and you can see the actual table here http://www.normanclare.co.uk/DOY_No7_Magnus.html (isn't the internet wonderful!)
Carole

That's a great find Carole - good detective work!  :)

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #168 on: Thursday 29 July 10 14:26 BST (UK) »
Morning guys

I had to look this up (see diary entry)...sounded like something NB would have loved ...especially the last part (where the guy was hanged in 1840 ...NB would have been 13) ...can't bold , screen wobbly


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Death and investigation
On the morning of 6 May 1840 Russell's housemaid, Sarah Mancer, discovered the lower floors of the house in disarray. Fearing that a robbery had taken place in the night, she went to the room of the valet, François Benjamin Courvoisier, and found him already dressed. Upon seeing the state of the house, he agreed that a robbery must have occurred; Courvoisier and Mancer then went to Russell's bedchamber, where Courvoisier immediately began to open the shutters, as he always did. Thus it was Mancer who first noticed that Russell was dead; his throat had been cut. The police were summoned; Courvoisier drew their attention to marks of violence upon the door to his pantry, asserting that this was where the robbers had entered the house.

The police, however, came quickly to the conclusion that the "robbery" had been staged in order to draw suspicion away from some member of the household. Numerous small gold and silver articles, as well as a ten-pound banknote, were found to be missing; some of the articles were soon discovered wrapped in a parcel inside the house, which was curious – a thief would have carried them off straightaway rather than leave them behind. The discovery of several more gold articles, as well as the banknote, hidden in the wainscoting and in Courvoisier's pantry cemented their suspicion of the valet. Additionally, a screwdriver in his possession was found to match the marks on the pantry door as well as marks left by the forcing of the silverware drawer.

Courvoisier was put on trial, but the question was whether his guilt could be conclusively proved. His counsel, Charles Phillips, was doing well on the paucity of evidence, and had actually hinted at the guilt of a maidservant in the house, when an inventory indicated that several further items of silverware were missing, and silver matching their description was located in a French hotel in Leicester Square.

This report was conveyed to Courvoisier by his barrister, and he immediately confessed to both the thefts and the murder. Phillips asked his client if he now planned to change his plea from not guilty to guilty. Courvoisier insisted on maintaining the not guilty plea, and said he expected Phillips to continue the defence on that basis. The legal interest in the case arises from Phillips' approach to the judge for guidance. He was forcefully told he could not ask for such advice, so he continued the defence, knowing that his client was guilty and trying to blame the maid for the crime. It led to considerable public criticism of Phillips after the trial.

It emerged in Courvoisier's confession that Russell had discovered his silverware thefts and ordered Courvoisier to resign from the household. Rather than lose his position, Courvoisier decided to conceal the matter by murdering Russell.

Courvoisier had reportedly read William Harrison Ainsworth's novel Jack Sheppard in the days leading up to the crime, and several news reports implied that the novel's glorification of criminal life had led him to commit the murder. However, the concept was not pursued in Courvoisier's court defence.

Courvoisier was hanged outside Newgate Prison on 6 July 1840. One of the huge crowd who attended was the novelist William Makepeace Thackeray, who wrote an anti-capital punishment essay, On Going to See a Man Hanged.

Soon afterwards the murder scene was portrayed in a peep-show at a travelling fair.
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #169 on: Thursday 29 July 10 14:50 BST (UK) »
How interesting Deb. :o That'd make a good film and you're right, Nathaniel would really have loved that!.

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Re: The Diary of Nathaniel Bryceson (Part 4)
« Reply #170 on: Thursday 29 July 10 15:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie

Thanks for your PM ...I have sent a message to the person who amended the 1841 census of Nat Bryan to Nat Bryceson ...hopefully I will get some response  8)

If she is a decendent of NB I am sure Stephen will be most interested!

I wonder if Stephen is still walking  ;D

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Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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