astley arms. gt ancoats street

[frankray]

Thank you Granata,  The copy of Neil Richardsons narrative makes fine reading.  Thank you for your time and interest. The forum as you will have noticed indicates the Astley Arms had a street number change on Gt Ancoats  from nos 78 to 224.  I feel 78 was demolished and the business moved to 224 but I cannot be sure.

I found the following by comparing the addresses of pub/taverns in Slaters
1828/29 & Slaters 1841. It proved interesting - all on Gt. Ancoats St.

                      1828                   1841

Bird In Hand   90                       183
Cotton Tree    52                        95
Griffon            249                      30
Kings Arms     44                       83
Navigation      102                     199
Soho Foundry 109                     225
White Hart       13                      23
Street renumbering would be the simple exp[lanation - but why? It seems a little early for the Post Office to get involved as often was, and is, the case. Frank

[granata]

Frank, renumbering is the simplest and most likely answer in my opinion.

Another key through road, Deansgate, also underwent renumbering, as we have recently discovered when researching "No.40 Deansgate".  Now this is the Renaissance Hotel, more specifically the old Pizza Italia beneath it.  In the 1800s No.40 was much further down near to Bridge Street:

[Roly32]

Hi micky,
Recently picked up on the notes regarding Astley Arms . Yes my uncle held the licence for approx two years.My grandfather Domenico ran a patriarchal  family and all the businesses were in his name. He was unable to hold the licence because he remained an Italian citiszen. Whilst he enjoyed a social drink, as a devoted family man he could not come to terms with drunkenness whilst the children ran about with shoes. He took over the pub because Antonio Valvona opened up an Italian grocery shop in competition with my grandmother and he saw this as retaliation because Valvona ran a pub. This is how the family started to manufacture wafers and cones as The International Wafer Co in Salford 1912.
The business was very successful so by 1916 the Barrel Piano(not organ or Hurdy Gurdy two different instruments) Factory closed and reverted back to furniture. Domenico contrary to much incorrect history was the only barrel piano manufacturer in Ancoats( the only other Manchester manufacturer's were Wright and Holmes Bros. and Varreto Bros who only built barrel organs).
In 1926 a green field site was purchased and a new factory was built and the members of the family moved out of Ancoats into south Manchester. Domenico with his two daughters remained at 55 Great Ancoats Street until 1934 when the shop was closed to move to Ayres Road to be nearer the business and family.

[Calcot]

Hi , My Gt, Gran father owned the pub with his wife certainly until after the 1st war.

Their name was Antonio and Palma Valente, one of their sons was killed in the war his name was Fredrick Valente, 10th Bn Lancashire Fusiliers ( 15th Feb 1916, 31 years old.)
My uncle Fred named after him told me many stories about the pub because he would often stay with his gran and Gran Dad. most of the customers were Italian one was Mr  Valvona who made ice cream waffers ( please forgive my spelling of his family name.)
Unfortunatly all my relations have passed away so I am dependent on my memories.