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Re: astley arms. gt ancoats street
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 24 July 10 13:54 BST (UK) »
Between you me and mack, i think we have covered most of the history ;D
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The Union pub Rogers street, Irk Town c1840
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 24 July 10 15:21 BST (UK) »
Emms, Migky: Gentlemen, thank you both so much for the work you did on Astley Arms.  There are two more victorian pubs associated with this family:  'The Union' near Rogers street (red bank) owned by Samuel Middleton born 1812 died 1868.     and the 'Clockface' mentioned in Trade journals and ran by Isaac Middleton c1840  Prior to this Isaac operated the Smithfiled Inn on Swan Street.  Can you throwany further light on the Union and Clockface.
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Re: astley arms. gt ancoats street
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 25 July 10 00:25 BST (UK) »
Hi again! :)

The Union:

In 1828/9 (PIgot's), there are two Unions.

Union Tavern, David Street, operated by Richard Meaden

and also The Union, Rogers Street operated by Elizabeth Harding - Yours I guess?

So they both date from 1828 at least!

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Re: astley arms. gt ancoats street
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 25 July 10 00:29 BST (UK) »
Hi

The Clockface

Clock Face, Joseph Schofield, Higher Ardwick

and also,

Clock Face, George Timmins, 49 Oldham Road.

So those also are at least from this date!

Good night! :)

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Re: The Union pub Rogers street, Irk Town c1840
« Reply #22 on: Monday 26 July 10 08:46 BST (UK) »
Emms, Migky: Gentlemen, thank you both so much for the work you did on Astley Arms.  There are two more victorian pubs associated with this family:  'The Union' near Rogers street (red bank) owned by Samuel Middleton born 1812 died 1868.     and the 'Clockface' mentioned in Trade journals and ran by Isaac Middleton c1840  Prior to this Isaac operated the Smithfiled Inn on Swan Street.  Can you throwany further light on the Union and Clockface.
so far I have come up Zip!  Frank.
hiya frank.
the smithfield as far as i know,is still going,i havent had a beer in manchester town centre for about 18mths,but the pub was still going strong then,it used to have old photos on the wall of former landlords and staff members,its at 37 swan st

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Re: astley arms. gt ancoats street
« Reply #23 on: Monday 26 July 10 14:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Frak, Mack :)

Sorry, missed one!
 ::) ::)
Smithfield was also already going in 1828.

Smithfield Market Tavern, Peter Mather,  Coop Street.

Best wishes

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Re: astley arms. gt ancoats street
« Reply #24 on: Friday 30 July 10 16:23 BST (UK) »
Gentlemen:
     At  the current time we have two addresses of Astley Arms:  224 Gt Ancoats Street. and 78 Great Ancoats Street!!  The possibility being there were in fact two - much the same as Yates's in Oldham Street where I undersand there were three!!
Do you have a view on the Astley address's?
I find it hard not to think the Astley name is a corruption Ashley eg, Ashley fields the site of Irk Town, Ashley Lane etc.,  Ashley apparently owned the land - but who was he?  - or am I drifting off and in danger of falling in the Irk.
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« Reply #25 on: Monday 16 August 10 21:42 BST (UK) »
 Hello, I can throw no light on the mystery, unless there were spaces and they were built on thus altering the numbers.                                                                                                                     Don`t fall in the Irk whatever you do!!!!! it is a lot cleaner these days but still a dirty river.
Thanks for keeping me in touch with this topic.

There were three Yate`s wine Lodges, one at the Piccadilly end of Oldham St. near Woolworth`s.
One on the same side but  right at the top at the New Cross end, Gt Ancoats St.
One on the other side above Cannon St.
,( the building ran from Oldham St through to Tib St.On Tib St Yate`s was a butchers, the Oldham St facade was the wine lodge. I think the street was Church St.)
Hope you get it sorted . Cheerio. Viktoria.

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Re: astley arms. gt ancoats street
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 22 August 10 20:05 BST (UK) »
Think you've cleared most of this up by now, but here's my two pennorth:

http://pubs-of-manchester.blogspot.com/2010/03/astley-arms-great-ancoats-street.html

This from Neil Richardson's The Old Pubs of Ancoats (1987):

"The Astley Arms is first recorded in 1821, tenanted by Thomas Evans. Around 1840 the house was rechristened the Pagianni Tavern by Thomas Inglesent, who is recalled in J J Slugg's "Manchester Fifty Years Ago".  Pagianni came to Manchester in the 1830s and 'In after years a blind man known as Tom Inglesent, who kept the Pagianni Tavern on Great Ancoats Street, became a very clever imitator of the great violinist.'

In March 1849 the Pagianni featured in a newspaper account entitled "The Bank of Elegance": 'Shortly before one o'clock on Monday morning, a well-dressed young woman inquired of three men in Great Ancoats Street, the way to the cathedral. They directed her and then she requested them to have a glass of something to drink. To this they consented and all four went into the Pagianni.  The landlord being blind it is managed by his brother-in-law.  She called for four glasses of brandy and presented what she called a £10 Bank of England note, but which was a handbill belonging to some shop, drawn up after the fashion of a Bank of England note, and purporting to belong to the 'Bank of Elegance'.  The man not being sufficiently able to read it, demurred to receiving it, as he thought it was a £5 note.  She told him that she had a £5 note and pulled out another 'Bank of Elegance' paper... he was disinclined to take either.  He showed them to three musicians who were leaving the house, and none of them could detect that they were not real notes, though all suspected them not to be so.  The young woman then offered to leave them in the man's care until the following day, on condition that he gave her a sovereign as security, which she would return when she came for them and pay for the brandy.  He consented to the arrangement, and gave her a sovereign, but directly afterwards, fearing that there was something wrong about the pretended notes, he spoke to a policeman (who had followed the woman and men into the house).  The policeman apprehended the young woman and she then gave the man his sovereign back.  The woman, whose name is Elizabeth Disley, was brought up at the Borough Court the same day... she stated in answer to the magistrates that she could read a little print but not writing.  She said that the 'notes' were given her two years ago by a gentleman of her acquaintance.  He have her four £10 notes and six £5 notes.  She had only the two produced left.  All the others (she claimed) were good ones, and she did not know that those two were not so.  She was remanded to yesterday when she was discharged with a caution.'

Tom Inglesent retired in 1848 and the owners advertised for a new tenant for the "vaults, brewhouse, doing excellent business, averaging eight barrels of ale per week."

In the 1850s the inn had become the Astley Arms again and remained open until 1928, when it was a Cornbrook house.  The building has had several uses since, but it still stands, opposite the end of Jersey Street, and in 1986 it was partly rebuilt."

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