I need help to Decipher a Baptism Record Please

[patval]

Hello There... I have a baptism record for 1700 which I am having trouble deciphering...... Any help appreciated.....
I have made a start...

At kilmorak jan 3 1700
Rory McDonald ? Rory in ? putted his son called Hugh to be baptised. Godfathers Andrew Mc ? and ? Mc Conel ? Rory.....

I am particularly foxed by this... Rory McDonald ? Rory.... What does the first ? say, I have had suggestions of Vis, Vic and Bu, if either are correct has anyone any idea what that means? 

I have this request posted on the McDonald section but someone kindly suggested I post it within the Scottish section as someone there may be more adept at deciphering old scottish records.


Many thanks in anticipation...... 
Patricia

 

[jimrobertson24]

Hi Patricia

It's a tough one....

Rory McDonald ? Rory (this exact phrase is repeated at the end after McConel and if you look at some of the others on the same page it looks like one or two have this phrase also) in ? (this is a place name, have a look at an OS Map of the area to see what it could be) putted his son called Hugh to be baptised, Godfathers Andrew Mc?roy and T? (only forename I can think starting with T is Thomas) McConel ? Rory (finishes with the same phrase as at the start).

[Elwyn Soutter]

If you can't find the place name from the OS map, you could ask the Kilmorack Heritage Association if anyone there recognises it. (I notice someone on their website named Scott Russell specialises in local gaelic place names. He might well know.).


Elwyn

[patval]

Thanks Jim and Elwyn...

I didn't imagine it would be a place name but now you mention it, it appears obvious....... I will now spend a wet and windy Sunday afternoon researching 'Rory' ...Many thanks

Patricia.

[cookies4]

Not too good at old handwriting but ...........

Could it be s o and stand for 'son of'? The 's' in the word 'his' looks the same as the first letter and the writer seems to keep the letter o open.

[grendlsmother]

The first godfather looks like Andrew Mc Ean roy, Andrew son of red Ian?  the "su or bu Rory" which appears after the names of the father and 2nd godfather could indicate they both had a relationship with someone else called Rory.  Probably not son as it would say "Mc" and they have different 2nd names - perhaps they have the same grandfather.   As someone said previously, you really need a gaelic speaker to get to the bottom of it.

[patval]

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all your help, I did indeed contact someone with an understanding of old Scottish language, a very kind lady named Sue Thomson at the Kilmorack Heritage Association deciphered it for me..... it reads as follows....

Rory the son of Roderick McDonald who lived at Breachachy in Kilmorack Parish. Baptized a son named Hugh, the Godfathers were Andrew John's son and Fergus McDonald the son of Roderick McDonald   

she also aded that: ******** ViC is pronounced Mic that is where you get the sound McDonald from there is no sound of V in Gaelic it is pronounced M***************

Once again thanks for your interest and help

regards
Patricia.

[Skoosh]

Pat,  there's certainly a V sound in Gaelic, mh & bh can be pronounced V.  There's no letter V or J,K,Q.W,X,Y or Z   Skoosh.

[grendlsmother]

Skoosh - although I'm certainly no expert, you a right in that there is definitely a V sound as you say.   The hard sound M is in certain circumstances replaced by Mh to change it to a softer V sound.    Also, I always understood Vic was used to denote "daughter of" as opposed to Mac "son of".