Smiths at Cherry Island - 1871

[social-butterflies]

hi again taffi52,
you do realise that its your ancestors that have been listed at the top of this thread dont you?

Josiah Smith  1837  Cambridgeshire
Alice Smith  1839  Cambridgeshire
Walter Smith  1857   Rainham, Essex
Arthur Smith  1862  Haddon Cambridgeshire
Sidney  Smith 1865 Orfton Green, Kent
Emas Smith  1867  Coffeshall, Essex
Elenor Smith (Son)  1869  Loughton, Essex

arthur, above,  is your oti/otto's father who goes on to marry adelaide/adeline buckley/smith.  and the rest are his siblings and his parents, josiah & alice buckley/ smith. small world is'nt it ?

Hello all... I have been looking into the buckley/Smith lines for a few months now
and quite agree it is complicated. I have tried to merge all the info I can find.

I too have a couple of queries and wonder if any members can shed some light on my
findings/assumptions.

I have first hand info from my dad.. Ernest Buckley b 1928 in Rochford.
He remembers several uncles - Elijah, Bertie, Nathan, also Gente.
Through this I have traced who I think is the correct family.
However...
His parents marriage cert states Ernest Albert m Beatrice Yelham.
His dad was 'known' as Oti, but I believe this was his real name and prob changed it
because of the gypsy stigma.
Could I be right?

Also he is adamant about this uncle Elijah, who he calls great uncle Elijah..who had a thyroid problem just like my dad. My dad was not born until 1928 so Elijah must have still been living around 1940.

Can anyone help/confirm my suspicions?

[taffi52]

No I didn't realise... thank you,

I must say, in only 2 days I have had so much help.

[ScallyW]

hello scallyw.
well at least you have managed to find some of them. is the "law" family connected by marriage maybe, possibly law marreid a smith and travelled with the smith (alias buckley) families
just an idea 

I would suspect that the Eliza Law listed in my first post was originally married to a Smith, hence the names of the children listed as being Smith and Abraham was her 2nd husband.  I don't know yet who her first husband might have been or whether it was normal for a widow to carry on travelling with her in-laws as looks to be the case here.  Of course, she could have been a Smith by birth herself....  Having said that, one of Alice Smith's brothers, Frederick, married a Law so the families did mingle anyway.


On another note ... the Frank Buckley (listed as Smith) married to Alice ... I think that this Alice Smith is the daughter of James Smith and Elizabeth Odell and if this is correct, she would be the sister of my great-great-great grandfather.

[ScallyW]

Hello all...

I have first hand info from my dad.. Ernest Buckley b 1928 in Rochford.
He remembers several uncles - Elijah, Bertie, Nathan, also Gente.
Through this I have traced who I think is the correct family.
However...
His parents marriage cert states Ernest Albert m Beatrice Yelham.
His dad was 'known' as Oti, but I believe this was his real name and prob changed it


Can anyone help/confirm my suspicions?

As a side note on the name Oti .... Josiah's half brother, Santalina, apparently had a son called Oti as well.  Born 1874, died 1958, he married an Ada Beatrice Webb in 1908.

[social-butterflies]

hi scallyw
yes he is my g.g.grandfather
this is my family line that i am trying to trace
do you have any info on otey at all? he is very difficult to find, must have been using an alias i think lol

[social-butterflies]

yep thats right she would..... sister to woodlock and Co

hello scallyw.
well at least you have managed to find some of them. is the "law" family connected by marriage maybe, possibly law marreid a smith and travelled with the smith (alias buckley) families
just an idea 

I would suspect that the Eliza Law listed in my first post was originally married to a Smith, hence the names of the children listed as being Smith and Abraham was her 2nd husband.  I don't know yet who her first husband might have been or whether it was normal for a widow to carry on travelling with her in-laws as looks to be the case here.  Of course, she could have been a Smith by birth herself....  Having said that, one of Alice Smith's brothers, Frederick, married a Law so the families did mingle anyway.


On another note ... the Frank Buckley (listed as Smith) married to Alice ... I think that this Alice Smith is the daughter of James Smith and Elizabeth Odell and if this is correct, she would be the sister of my great-great-great grandfather.

[ScallyW]

hi scallyw
yes he is my g.g.grandfather
this is my family line that i am trying to trace
do you have any info on otey at all? he is very difficult to find, must have been using an alias i think lol

I don't have any more than that I'm afraid.  Other than the 1871 census under the name of Butler I haven't found any other records for his parents and I've searched under Buckley, Butler, Boswell and Smith, just in case.  I've also searched for his siblings on the basis that he may not have been registered as Oti if this was a nickname or a shortening of something longer for example, but I've had no luck so far.  I mention that about the nickname because elsewhere in my family there are examples of girls called Omi / Homey when in fact the original name was Naomi.

[social-butterflies]

ok thanks scallyw,
its difficult is'nt it with these "secret evasive gypsy/travellrs"  never really know exactly what they got up to etc but its good fun searching thats for sure and we get to meet lots of interesting people

[Russybuck]

Hello

YES it's them! How on earth have you found Elijah.. my dad will be thrilled. I would
love any info you can give... thank you so much

Regards
Kathy

Pic attached of my dad taken about 20 yrs ago... handsome beast he is !