James & agnes Disher

[MonicaL]

Thanks Kirsty  Certainly looks possible then.

I am wondering where Thomas, Jane and family got to after 1861. Can't see them in Scotland after this date.

Monica

[AMBLY]

great work Monica 
That's made the bells ring!

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Hi Ambly

So where do you think they could have gone - the Ross family?

Either Australia or England you would think. Chris, a lot of the info you have we have been able to find links to so that leaves us with the question of where exactly was Elizabeth born and where did James and Agnes marry.

Ambly, re William and James Disher, cannot see them in Scotland/England as yet in 1871 or 1881. Could they have initially headed off to Australia I wonder between 1861-71? The family seem to be all over the place by 1871 and following the death of father Thomas.

Monica 

[Christine Lockett]

Hi Amby

Thanks for looking up those sites for me, read the newspaper article from Courier Mail.  I would say that was my great grandfather for sure as he was employed by Evans Anderson as an engineer.

Thanks for all your help that is great.  My mother always said that her grandmother Agnes use to drink a bit you think after what happened she would of stayed clear of the alcohol.

[Christine Lockett]

Hi Monica,

This is so good, so much information.  Maybe they weren't married I know that James had a thousand pounds which would of been a lot of money in those days.

He had some of the money invested in sugar or a sugar mill in Bundaberg in Queensland and some in the banks and in the 1800's there was some kind of a depression and he lost the lot.

For them to be living in Bundaberg which I think they did for a short while, they would of entered Australia through Maryborough Queensland which is only half an hours drive away from where I live.  My local library (Hervey Bay) has the records for the ships that entered through Maryborough.

Thanks again Monica

Chris

[MonicaL]

Let us know what you find Chris - we get curious here on RC 

Monica

[Christine Lockett]

Has taken me a while, the list of children born to James Disher and Agnes MacDonald Ross all born in Queensland listed as such:

James Disher b. 1886
Ellen Kelvin Disher b. 1888
Adelaide Disher b. 1890 d. 1892
Agnes Disher b. 1892
Thomas Mann Disher b. 1894
Charlotte Disher b. 1898

Ellen Kelvin Disher is my grandmother who I knew as Elizabeth Sutherlan McKenzie and was always told by her that she was born in 1887. 
The name change and the date of birth from 1888 to 1887 I would say would because her mother wouldn't give her permission for my grandmother to marry. 
She was married in 1908 which would make her 20 and she needed to be 21 so she changed her name, year of birth and place of birth to Scotland which would of been hard to trace in those days.....Oh! she was pregnant at the time too about 6 months which made it all  the more urgent.

 

[MonicaL]

Thanks for the update...and the solution to the puzzle 

Monica

[Christine Lockett]

Hi Monica & Ambly,

Just thought you might like to know what I have found on James & Agnes, as you went to so much trouble for me.

Just recently discovered the registration of James Disher Jr. Birth in Kelvin Burgh Glasgow.  He was born on 17/10/1885 Mother Agnes Disher M S Ross and Father is Andrew Disher (James Sr. younger brother) it states the year they were married as 1878.

So I look up the registration of their marrage.  This is were the story my grandmother told me rings a little bit truer.  Andrew was a Hotel Waiter and Agnes a Hotel Barmaid. (bit like innkeeper).

Andrew's father Thomas listed as Surgeon Dental(not sure) deceased and Mary Disher M.S. Reid. (so he was a doctor).

Agnes father listed as Ships carpenter deceased, I can't work out what they have written about her mother with Ross at the end of it M.S. McDonald.


Still can't find any birth registration for my grandmother Elizabeth who was born in Gateshead.  The Ellen listed on the Australian BDM have since found out is another sister.


Now I am only guessing here but I think my grandmother was James Dishers Daughter can't find any marriage listed for James and Agnes either