James & agnes Disher

[ev]

hi all 

have had a look on my 1881 discs for james disher's in scotland
there are only 5
only 2 look possibles agewise one a hawker other jute worker
there are none showing in england(1881) on familysearch

ev

[ev]

Monica 

apart from james all births for children are on the official queensland site
with parents
the names that Chris has aren't that far away ie ellen = elizabeth , dot =
charlotte 

ev

[AMBLY]

Hi All

Thanks for the vote of confidence Monica       the ladies of the Aussie boards are the real whizzes though! If we can't progress here, I wonder if a new topic on that board may help, linked to this one......

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3685257?searchTerm=%22James+DISHER%22
James DISHER died in 28 Dec 1898, under tragic circumstance.
Left wife "Aggie" and 6 children.

From the QLD BDM site

DEATH: Adelaide DISHER, daughter of James DISHER & Agnes ROSS, died in 1892 (as Chris has noted above)
So this infers the 6 children who survived their father, includes Elizabeth

DEATH: James DISHER, registered 1899,
Son of Thomas Daniel DISHER and Mary REED

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=404423.msg2730375;topicseen
Someone else is searching for :
Elizabeth Sutherlan McKenzie Phillips - nee Disher, but unknown father
Married name was PHILLIPS - Note repeated reference to middle name as "Sutherlan" - no "d"

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

IGI Extracted record:

Thomas Daniel DISHER and Mary Ann REID
married 4 Dec 1848, Glasgow

Cheers
AMBLY

[MonicaL]

Children showing to this couple:

1. ADAM REID DISHER Birth: 28 FEB 1860 Calton, Glasgow
2. JOHN SWANSTON DISHER Birth: 31 JUL 1861 Calton, Glasgow
3. MARGARET REID DISHER Birth: 22 JUN 1863 Calton, Glasgow
4. ANDREW DISHER Birth: 21 FEB 1856 Calton, Glasgow
5. THOMAS DANIEL DISHER Birth: 23 FEB 1858 Calton, Glasgow

So son James born before 1855?

Monica

[MonicaL]

The family's 1861 entry (struggling with the other years at present) - all the children born in Glasgow:

Thomas D Disher 32, Accoucheur  - as transcribed, b, USA
Mary Ann Disher 37, b. Ireland
William Disher 11
James Disher 7
Andrew Disher 5
Thomas D Disher 3
Ross Ann Gallacher 54

Address: 81 London St, Calton, Glasgow

Monica

[MonicaL]

And in 1851:

Thomas Disher 22, Silk Hat Body Maker, b. USA
Mary Disher 22, b. Glasgow
William Disher 1, b. Glasgow

Address: 105 Stockwell Street, Glasgow

Monica

[AMBLY]

OOh, that's interesting! Dad born in America!!

Just found another interesting entries  on QLD BMD:

DEATH: 1889 - Alexander Sharp DISHER
Parents: Thomas Daniel DISHER and Jane Smith HUNTER

DEATH: 1908  - Thomas Daniel DISHER
Parents: Thomas Daniel DISHER and Mary Ann REID

Picking the 1889 death is infant  son of the man who died 1908

So, James was not alone in (supposed) exile  

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hmm, Nothing like a Doctor*    & looking increasingly unlikely James' father paid him good money to go away with his unsuitable wife!

*stand corrected if he was a "male midwife" (see below) ! but I still bet he wasn't well off.

It would also seem, Elizabeth was less than truthful about her age -  if the 6 children born to James and Agnes  in Australia started in 1886.  More than likely she was older than she made out? The only other thing I can think of is that she was Agnes' daughter but was concieved after James DISHER died  - but  would make her a good 10 years younger than Chris knows her to be?

Cheers
AMBLY