Robinson & Cleaver families

[aghadowey]

Purely speculation based on limited information in your post-

Death: Christina McMullan, age 40, 10 Sept.1952 Lurgan district
Death: James McMullan, age 48, 3 Oct.1956 Lurgan district

Birth: Christina Robinson, 23 Nov.1911, parents- David James Robinson (damask weaver) & Annie Eliza Heathwood
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01512/1614351.pdf
Parents' marriage (1894)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10566/5849617.pdf

Which fits with this family-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Woodvale_Ward/Mayo_Street/986856
(Methodist)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Thames_Street/183180
(now Presbyterian, 11 children but only 5 living in 1911- Christina born after census)

[aghadowey]

If the above records are indeed the correct family then it looks like most of the children died quite young-

David James Robinson (d.1917), s/o David (iron moulder) m.(1894) Annie/Anne Elizabeth Heathwood (c1870), d/o John (cloth passer)
(David) https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7961.4962
1. David James (1894-1913)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02264/1851008.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1913/05329/4483261.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7935.8029
2. Christina (1895-1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02197/1830607.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05739/4620422.pdf
3. Margaret Ann (1897-alive 1921)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02098/1799435.pdf
4. Alfred George (1899-1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02021/1775667.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05739/4620419.pdf
5. John Henry (1901-1916) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01946/1752213.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05254/4456988.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7953.4317
6. Jemima Weatherall (1903-1904) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01882/1732175.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05630/4584075.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7789.14998
7. Alice Ethel (1904-1921) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01830/1715314.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1921/05098/4400677.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8141.231
8. Alfred George (1905-1906) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01776/1698423.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05573/4565183.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7571.16723
9. Agnes Williams (1905-1906) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01776/1698423.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05573/4565184.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7571.16743
10. Elsie (1907-1908)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01679/1668022.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05507/4543335.pdf 
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7595.19397
11. Annie (1910-1917)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01563/1631022.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446381.pdf
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7959.4717
12. Christina (1911)

If the above family it's yours please let us know more details and we'll do more looking...

[Davmac000]

Thanks for that, yes this is the family line, I'm in contact with a cousin in Nth Ireland ,more info should come my way soon.
Thanks again

[mattfrombann]

Hi

I just recently posted the attachment on another forum (Down) and then discovered this would probably be more appropriate. The dedication is on a flyleaf of a book which belonged in 1936 to my grandfather Matthew Davidson a tailor in Bridge St, Banbridge (no 53 at the bottom of The Cut). Robinson Cleaver had a premises at the top of Bridge St. My grandfather was associated with Banbridge Literary Society in early 1900s and it is possible that the Book (Works of Sir Walter Scott) belonged to its predecessor Banbridge Reading Society. The dedication reads

To Miss Moor
A small token of gratitude from her affectionate nephew
William George (?) Robinson
Dec 1871

I am wondering if the Moor/Robinson names ring any bells with contributors to this thread ? Could they be connected to Robinson Cleaver or is it just a coincidence ?

Any suggestions much appreciated

[Kiltaglassan]

See other thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=816366.0

KG

[aghadowey]

The aunt's name could be MOORE or Moon.

[researcher_MAC]

Hello, Im looking to for anyone connected to Florence Edith Cleaver from Belfast who married Norman Macnaughton and moved to Poole, Dorset. Im unsure as to whether they had a family but Im hopeful in finding a descendant?

[aghadowey]

Florence's family mentioned in original post here.

Looking to fill in some gaps concerning these families:
According to one resource, Edward Robinson, was the son of Alexander Robinson of Ballymena, Co. Antrim.  Edward was b. 17 Feb. 1849 and went into business with John Cleaver in 1870.  Edward became a J.P. and lived at Lismara, Whiteabbey.
1.  John Cleaver, b. abt. 1842 m. Mary Ann Spence
2.  Arthur Spence Cleaver, b. abt 1870 m. 1905 Adelaide Pollock
2.  John Martin Cleaver, b. abt. 1871
2.  Mabel Cleaver, b. abt. 1874 m. 1901 Edward Arthur Robinson, son of his partner
2.  Sir James Frederick Cleaver, b. abt 1875
2.  Edward Arthur Cleaver, b. abt. 1879
2. Florence Edith Cleaver m. 1911 Norman MacNaughton
2.  Eileen Martha Esther Cleaver m. 1914 Charles Mitchell Clegg
***Corrections and additional information always appreciated***

Florence's birth-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02968/2087394.pdf
1911 marriage-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09946/5615867.pdf
No obvious births in Northern Ireland (up to 1921). No obvious births in England/Wales.

Florence E. MacNaughton died 1946 Poole district. Can't see anything in England Wills site.
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Norman Macnaughton died 1954 Pool district. Nothing on Wills site for him either (checked 1954/1955).

[aghadowey]

Found this in N.I. site- https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Macnaughton Florence Edith of "Darville" Canford Crescent Canford Cliffs Bournemouth Hampshire married woman died 14 May 1946 Probate Belfast 27 November to Norman Macnaughton gentleman and Mabel Robinson married woman. Effects £6876 15s.
Macnaughton Norman of Darville Canford Crescent Canford Cliffs Dorsetshire died 26 February 1954 Probate London 30 April to Westminster Bank Limited and Violet Macnaughton spinster. Effects in Northern Ireland £3131 5s. Re-sealed Belfast 20 December.