John TURNBULL and Ann ANDERSON

[MonicaL]

Hi Matthew

From your last post, are you saying that potentially your Alexander's parents, Alexander and Janet (Masterton) also headed off to Australia? Certainly, from what you have found, youngest son David, whom we had in the family's 1851 census entry, also seems to have ended up there.

Monica

added: Possible migration for David?:

David Turnbull, b. 1845 arrived at Sydney, New South Wales on 18 Aug 1864, ship 'Yarra'.

[MonicaL]

There is a family tree for Elizabeth, daughter of Alexander and Janet (Masterton) having married a James Kirkcaldy, as you had mentioned (is this your tree Matthew on Ancestry?). Elizabeth's death details are given as 14 Oct. 1923 at Westbury, Tasmania. Husband James is showing as born in 1835 in Cupar, Fife to a James and Isabella (Faernie) and a death date for him on 25 Nov. 1918 at Launceston, Tasmania. His parents are showing as having died in Fife.

Monica

Added: From http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start  marriage showing for the above couple James and Elizabeth on 27 Feb 1862 at Launceston, Tasmania.

[MonicaL]

Also from the new LDS site, linked above, I found more children to Alexander and Janet (Masterton) which were not included on IGI, including:

James Gordon Turnbull, b. 11 Nov 1839, chr. 01 Dec 1839 in Carnbee Fife.

This would then fit well with the shipping entry you found for brother and sister, James G Turnbull and Elizabeth arriving on the 'Indiana' in 1860.

Son David's details also show there, b. 06 Apr 1845, chr. 27 Apr 1845 in Carnbee Fife.

Monica

[matown]

Monica
Yes agree with the possibility that parents Alexander and Janet Turnbull also immigrated although yet to find a record. It seems son David also came out. Thanks for the possible immigration record for David. I am yet to look at the index 'Arrivals into Early Launceston' as I have not found online or at nearby library. I do not have a tree on Ancestry but my research agrees with the Kirkcaldy tree you mention. It is difficult to confirm all the Turnbulls that immigrated were closely related given their orgins from Fife and Roxburghshire. Thanks again, Matthew.

[matown]

Sorry must correct an earlier post. I said David Mitchell but meant David Turnbull.

[MonicaL]

Meant to post this yesterday, regarding possible deaths for Alexander Snr and Janet Masterton over in Australia (1875 and 1866). This looks like them in Scotland for the 1861 census:

Alexr Tumbull 54, labourer b. Kemback, Fife
Janet Tumbull 61 b. Forfar, Forfarsh
William Tumbull 24, agr. lab. b. Denino (?spl), Fife

Address: Over Carnbee, Carnbee

Can't see parents on the 1871 census, which supports a possible migration for them post 1861, nor can I see a death for a Janet Masterton/Turnbull on Scotlands People (married women are usually easier to search for deaths as you can use both surnames).

Monica

[MonicaL]

Matthew, regarding the Arrivals into Early Launceston index, I'm not sure it will cover the dates you are interested in, from this link here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2630524 unless there are more indexes not mentioned here which cover a later period.

There is this material listed here www.launceston.tasfhs.org/publications.html which hopefully local libraries may be able to offer.

Monica

[matown]

Monica
Yes I did see the 1861 Census listing and started thinking they may have immigranted after I could not find them in the 1871 Census.
The Index of Early Arrivals in Launceston goes to 1865 on CD Rom so will look into this possibility. The Tas Archives online Census index does show Turnbull in Westbury 1848 so as expected there are earlier immigrants with that surname.
Matthew

[matown]

Monica
Just to round off our discussion of Turnbulls arriving into early Launceston, I was able to check the CD ROM index to 1865 but was not able to identify Alexander and Janet. However the index is apparently incomplete due to the source data coming from newspapers. The microfilm of the passenger list from the 'Indiana' (24/4/1860) showed Elizabeth Turnbull, aged 18 domestic servant from St Andrews, Fife and James G Turnbull, aged 20 ploughman from Anstruther, Fife. Also on 'Indiana' were James (24) and William (21) Kirkcaldy both Farmers from Cupar, Fife.
Thanks again for sharing your research, Matthew.