GERMANY: Gerngross

[scottw67]

Hi

I'm trying to find any information about Otto Gerngross and family.
According to the 1901 English Census they came to Hull, England around 1892 on the SS Esperanza.
The Census mentions two German towns Altans and Mackburk which I've had little luck in finding.
Has anyone heard of these towns or has any information regarding the Gerngross'

Thanks in advance

Scott

[moiramount]

hello scott, i had a look on the german towns website & the only one that comes near is ALTTANN, it is a province town in land baden wuttemburg, the other one i cannot help you with.

                                moira

[Emsworthy]

Hi Scott,

Not sure how this will help but once you know where you're looking, I'm sure it'll come in handy....

www.genealogienetz.de

It even has the option to change the page to English...how cool is that?!

Regards, Emma

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Scott,

Welcome to RootsChat !

there is a german place name site here: http://gov.genealogy.net/index.jsp

which allows you to enter "Word beginning with ..."

Altans and Mackbuck weren't there, but

altan... gives
Altanmut   Ostpreußen

and Mack... gives
Mäckelsdorf 37284, W3441 Hessen RB Kassel - Werra-Meißner-Kiels   
Macken 56290, W5449 Rheinland-Pfalz RB Koblenz - Mayen-Koblenz   
Mackenbach, Lohmar 53797, W5201 Nordrhein-Westfalen RB Köln - Rhein-Sieg-Kreis JO30PU
Mackenbach, Kr Kaiserslautern 67686, W6751 Rheinland-Pfalz RB Rheinhessen-Pfalz - Kaiserslautern JN39SL
Mackenbrede, Leopoldshöhe   Nordrhein-Westfalen - - JO41IX
Mackenbruch, Oerlinghausen   Nordrhein-Westfalen - - JO41IX
Mackendorf 38459, W3331 Niedersachsen RB Braunschweig - Helmsfedt JO52MI
Mackenheim 69518 Hessen - - JN49JN
Mackenheim 67390   JN38SE
Mackenmühle 91785, W8835 Bayern RB Mittelfranken - Weißenburg-Gunzenhausen

Mackenbach or Mackenbruch are possibilities (swallow the 'en' !)

I don't know if any of that means anything to you (geographically) so a question for you:  has anybody ever said anything about which area of Germany, )North, South, Bavaria, etc) he came from  ??

Another thought:  Mackbuck could be Magdeburg, the G is pronounced so hard that it could be heard as a K

Any info. you have, share it with us !! (please !)

Further avenues to explore: 
- did they become naturalised
- did they have to register as aliens (WW1 )

(see the threads on this board on this subject)


Good luck,
Bob

[scottw67]

Hi

First off thanks everyone for the info and links.
 
I've been told that Otto and was a merchant seamen and his son Otto Ludwig was a Fisherman.
But im not sure if these were jobs they could have taken when they came to live in Hull.

According to the Ships List the Esperanza sailed from hull to the Baltic ports.

This is basically all I know of them before thay came to England.

Cheers

Scott

[Gerngross]

Hi Scott my GGF is also Otto, my GF Kenneth & Great Aunt Ginny. My Auntie tells me he was forced back to Germany & that he and members of family killed helping the resistance there. Regards Mark

[Rudolf H B]

Hi Scott,

there are more than 40 Gerngroß living in the area around Magdeburg (14 in Bitterfeld).
Had Otto been Lutheran?

Not far from Alttann, there are living 10 Gerngroß families,
but they should be Roman-Catholic.

There are more than 65 Gerngroß families around Nürnberg,
their ancestors might have been Lutheran, Roman-Catholic or Jewish.

We have about 600 Gerngroß and not more than 15 Gerngross /  Gerngros persons in Germany. Gerngroß and Gerngross is the same name. 

Best regards
Rudolf



 

[scottw67]

Hi Scott my GGF is also Otto, my GF Kenneth & Great Aunt Ginny. My Auntie tells me he was forced back to Germany & that he and members of family killed helping the resistance there. Regards Mark

Hi Mark

I've only just found your post, Ginny was my Grandmother, I know Otto was interned during the first world war. He returned to Germany after the war, where he remarried and had at least two sons. That is all i've managed to find out. The resitance story sounds interesting do you have anymore information?

Cheers

Scott

[scottw67]

Hi Scott,

there are more than 40 Gerngroß living in the area around Magdeburg (14 in Bitterfeld).
Had Otto been Lutheran?

Not far from Alttann, there are living 10 Gerngroß families,
but they should be Roman-Catholic.

There are more than 65 Gerngroß families around Nürnberg,
their ancestors might have been Lutheran, Roman-Catholic or Jewish.

We have about 600 Gerngroß and not more than 15 Gerngross /  Gerngros persons in Germany. Gerngroß and Gerngross is the same name. 

Best regards
Rudolf

Hi Rudolf

The Altans given in the census listing was Altona Hamburg and Magdeburg is Mecklenburg.

The Gerngross' i'm researching came from Northen Prussia. The towns i've found on various documents are Kladow, Grabow, Hanseberg & Soldin.

thanks for you help

Scott