Annie MENHAM

[Mort29]

Theres this lad in school in Worcs, with a brother - HO107; Piece: 2046; Folio: 128; Page: 15 Claines

Personally I think a combination of details from the Marriage Cert and possibly of young Herberts Birth Cert will help solve it (I'd like to see if Arthur was still an RM in 1876)


Same lad seems to be a Lieutenant of Marines in the Racoon (22 guns) at anchor under Mount Carmel - Coast of Syria in 1861.

RG9; Piece: 4440; Folio: 125; Page: 12


This must be him:

Births Jun 1838
 

HILL  Arthur     Worcester  18 491   


but not a sign in the 1841 census 

[alp]

Thank you for all your help. Can you tell me where you get your inforrmation re at school with brother, as I don't recognize the references.  On the marriage cert his father is John but cannot trace his birth although it may be the one in 1838.

[Mort29]

On the original page, there is a Herbert Hill ( 14 or 19 ? ) also born Worcester, St Helen. Its only an assumption that its a brother I should have said.

If you plug in the PIECE, FOLIO and PAGE numbers with no other info in Ancestry, you'll see them in an establishment where they are Pupils / Scholars (cant remember offhand)

I really wouldnt put too much credence in this chap yet, its as much informed guesswork as my earlier chap who eventually resurfaced. Does have some excellent 'links' tho.

What about the Father John's occupation from the Marriage Cert. ?

[JeannieR]

Hi.....

I think this is looking good . Arthur and Annie, did name one of their sons Herbert.

Also, could there be a significance with the name Devereaux, as this was Arthur 2nd christian name.

JeannieR

[alp]

Thank you for the info.  The father's occupation is 'gentleman' - could cover a multitude of sins!  I have now sent for his birth certificate and will wait to see what this says.

[Mort29]

final observation - I cant see an obvious candidate +/- 2 years of age born Worcester in 1881 or 1891 (altho its suprising the number of 'new' Arthurs that appear linked with Worcester).

But I wonder who Arthur Hill,  the MARRIED Boarder is in Brighton in 1901 ?

RG13; Piece: 925; Folio: 75; Page: 36 Brighton, 47, Elm Grove

He was born 'Worcester', aged 63 (spot on) and an 'Inspector of Concrete for Tramways'

Good points JeannieR 


Added: altho on looking further, might be the same chap in 1881 RG11; Piece: 246; Folio: 127; Page: 36 Islington, married to a Patience. He's a Supt Manager Lon St Tram Coy .....

By 1891 he has remarried to an Ellen (neé Enefer) from Danbury, Essex (same family, as oldest son born USA, New Jersey.

They are in RG12; Piece: 836; Folio 34; Page 9 Broadwater, Worthing, Sussex (not far from Brighton)

Arthur now states RETIRED MAJOR - HM Siramel ?? - Manager of a Public Company.

[JeannieR]

Hi

Herbert, born 1837 , St Helens, Worcestershire, was Herbert JOHN Hill

He too , joined the Military.

On the 1881 census, he is described as a Late Captain , 7th Regt, Military Tutor /  born St Helens  Worcester
Residence is High Street, Wargrave ,Berkshire
RG11 1312 10 13

he moves to London, and is there in 1891 and 1901, 10 years later , he is in Shropshire.

Another possibility of course, is that Arthur did set up home with another lady. It was more common than we like to think. My own grandmother married, stating she was a widow, when in fact her first husband, was alive and well, and living round the corner , with his parents.....

I wonder if Arthur died abroad ? Will have a look

JeannieR

[alp]

Herbert John Hill (son of Arthur Hill and Annie Menham) was born in 1876 in Kensington and was my grandfather.

[Mort29]

In Scotland 1871 Source Citation: Parish: Kirkmahoe; ED: 2; Page:  4; Line: 12; Roll  CSSCT1871_184