Sugden

[Valda]

Hi

1861 census RG9 223 folio 58 
12 and 16 Aldermanbury St Mary Aldermanbury
Sarah Sugden Head 66 (looks more like 46) Sister Unmarried Housekeeper Leeds
Louisa Bartlett Niece 15 Milliner Dorking

St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey 22nd January 1826
Richard Bartlett 
Hannah Maria Sugden
Bachelor and spinster of the parish
Both signed
Witnesses Saml Sugden and Sarah and Edw Judge

1827 March 1827 St Martin, Dorking
John Bartlett parents Richard and Hannah Maria, South Street Street, Blacksmith
buried 31st January 1839 aged 2

Same church and details except mother given as Maria
15th Jun 1828
Sarah Anne Bartlett parents Richard and Maria, West Street, Blacksmith 

12th February 1830
Anna Maria Bartlett

22nd February 1832
Emily Bartlett

10th February 1836
Frances Jane Bartlett mother's name Anna Maria
Buried in Dorking 29th November 1841 aged 5

16th April 1838
Richard Bartlett

26th February 1840
Elizabeth Bartlett  father's occupation smith

29th July 1842
Mary Ann Bartlett

6th August 1845
Louisa Bartlett

1841 census HO107 1081/7 folio
West Street Dorking Surrey
Richd Bartlett 40 Ironmonger
Hannah Bartlett 35
Sarah Bartlett 12
Anna Bartlett 10
Emily Bartlett 8
Frances Bartlett 4
Richard Bartlett 3
Elizabeth Bartlett 1
Sarah Sugden 71
plus 1 female servant
all born in county except Hannah and Sarah senior

Richard buried in Dorking aged 49 in 1847
Probably he came from Dorking there is a baptism 7th March 1798 to Richard and Sarah (but also one the same year to John and Sarah 6th May)
Will of Richard Bartlett, Smith of Dorking, Surrey 16 February 1802 PROB 11/1369
Will of John Bartlett, Blacksmith, Iron and Brass Founder and Farmer of Dorking , Surrey 10 December 1847 PROB 11/2065

1851 census HO107 1598 folio 334
North side of High Street Dorking
Hannah Maria Bartlett 45 Head Widow Milliner Leeds York
Sarah Ann Bartlett 22 Daughter
Anna Maria Bartlett 21 Daughter
Emily Bartlett 19 Daughter
Elizabeth Bartlett 11 Daughter
Mary Ann Bartlett 8 Daughter
Louisa Bartlett 5 Daughter
all the children born Dorking Surrey

Hannah Maria buried in Dorking in 1844 aged 49


Regards

Valda

[sugsy]

Great stuff Valda! Thanks!

Note that Sarah Sugden is temporarily withem in 1871 !?

I notice you are still reluctant to say whether you think Samuel 1798 is son of Samuel 1770 !!??  What do you reckon?

Thanks

Phil

[Valda]

Hi

The issue would be the only evidence for his birth in Middlesex is the 1841 census.

'There was a belief that the census was a way of gathering data for the poor law and that people might in consequence end up being sent back to their place of birth. This could be the reason, as well as a hazy knowledge of county geography, that many people gave yes to the county of birth question, claiming they were born in the county, when later censuses show they were not'

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,428062.0.html


Regards

Valda

[sugsy]

Yes -  although there is the Samuel Sugden who with his siblings Elizabeth, John were born in a row ( 1765,1766,1770) at St Leonards to Samuel and Elizabeth of Worship Street. His age would be exactly right in 1841. But it seems difficult to say with certainty that the other Samuel born in Leeds is his son...why would there be this constant movement between Yorkshire and London in the 18th and early 19th century when transport was so primitive and the distances so great. It would make more sense if 1798 Samuel had been born in London!

Regards
Phil

[Eyesee]

The 1798 Samuel died in 1896, and his estate was worth £140,000 at the time. Not sure what that would be in todays values.

Ian C

[Valda]

Hi

The National Archives

Currency converter

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency/


Regards

Valda

[Eyesee]

About £8,000,000 in todays value according to that.

Ian C

[Lisa B]

Hi Ian having troubles with this one. There seems to be doubt on the paternity of Samuel 1798. I presumed Samuel's father to be Samuel Sugden born 1770 and Sarah Hutchinson. Lisa