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Re: Sugden
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 01 August 10 12:08 BST (UK) »
Hi


His age (on burial and from the 1841 census) would be compatible with this baptism already given on a previous post

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WILLIAM SUGDEN
Christening:  16 FEB 1794   Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire
Father:  SAMUEL SUGDEN 



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Re: Sugden
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 01 August 10 14:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda and Lisa B,

I've gone through my old notes ( I was doing all this before the internet family history stuff got off the ground!) and we're talking of different Williams - I did indeed have the death date of William Sugden Sen. who maried Sarah in Leeds. But the William, who was in fact my great-grandfather , was born in 1825 in Dorking to William  and Sarah Sugden, living at West Street, Dorking. I have a copy of the baptism record. Incidentally, brother John Sugden and wife Martha, also have a son Frederick on the same page, and they are living either in the same house or the same street, West Street!
William Sugden ( my gt.g/father) turns up in Chapel Street London ( near Rodney Street) on the 1861 census with wife Harriet ( nee Fulcher) with 2 very young children, Elena and Frank, but not yet Arthur, my grandfather, who came along in 1865. By this time, they are living in Charterhouse Street, London.
When Arthur gets married in 1887, the marriage cert has the father, William Sugden, as deceased, and it is THIS William of whom I can find no further trace, as I can't find him on the 1881 census, nor can I find a record of his death.
Sorry I led you to the wrong William, but if  you can help on the right one, I'd be very grateful!!
Cheers
Phil S.
It's this William for whom I can find no record of death

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Re: Sugden
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 01 August 10 14:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Lisa B,

Do you know anything about a Margaret Rawlinson who pops up all over the place connected with Sam Sugden Sen ? She' s often found living with a member of the family, but I never managed to trace her roots!
Phil

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Re: Sugden
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 01 August 10 16:22 BST (UK) »
Hi

Only two children with William and Harriett on the 1861 census

1861 census RG9 195 folio 59
89 Chapel Street Clerkenwell
Willm Sugden 36 Head Married Artificial florist Dorking Surrey
Hurritt Sugden 26 Wife Wesrminster
Frank Sugden 1 Son Clerkenwell Middlesex
Clara Sugden 3 Months Daughter Clerkenwell Middlesex
plus 2 servants

 
Children's baptisms and death registrations
 
St Mark, Myddelton Square 23rd January 1853 born 16th December 1852
William Fulcher Sugden parents  William and Harriett, 89 Chapel Street, father's occupation artificial florist
Deaths Dec 1856  SUGDEN  William Fulcher  Clerkenwell  1b 341

same church and same details
22nd January 1854 born 28th December 1853
George Sugden
Married 1876

same church same details
9th December 1855 born 9th November
Benjamin Sugden
Deaths Jun 1857 Sugden  Benjamin  Clerkenwell  1b 317

same church same details
26th July 1857 born 3rd July
Harriett Sugden
Deaths Dec 1858 Sugden  Harriet  Clerkenwell  1b 430

same church same details - William's occupation artifical flower maker
12th September 1858 born 25th August
Frederick Sugden
Deaths Dec 1858 Sugden  Frederick  Clerkenwell  1b 430

same church same details
27th November 1859 born 27th October
Frank Sugden
Deaths Jun 1861 Sugden  Frank  Clerkenwell  1b 357
 
Holy Trinity, Kentish Town 12th May 1861
Clara Ann Sugden parents  William and Harriet, 89 Chapel Street Pentonville North, father's occupation, artificial florist
Deaths Mar 1863 SUGDEN  Clara  Clerkenwell  1b 447


no more baptisms but possibly Samuel is another child

Births Mar 1863  SUGDEN  Samuel     Clerkenwell  1b 598
Deaths Sep 1863  SUGDEN  Samuel     Clerkenwell  1b 416


1871 census RG10 421 folio 11
22 Hayne Street St Sepulchre City of London
William Sugden 47 Head Married Artificial florist Dorking Surrey
Harriet Sugden 36 Wife Married Artificial florist Chelsea Middlesex
George Sugden 17 Son Warehouseman Clerkenwell Middlesex
Arthur Sugden 5  Son St Sepulchre Middlesex
James Sugden 2 Son St Sepulchre Middlesex
Emily Sugden 8 months Daughter  St Sepulchre Middlesex


Births Dec 1865 Sugden  Arthur Fuller     W. London  1c 34

possible sibling

Births Dec 1866  Sugden  Mary A E     W. London  1c 31
Deaths Dec 1866 Sugden  Mary A E  0  W. London  1c 37

Births Jun 1868 SUGDEN  James Lloyd     W.London  1c 30
Married 1888

Births Sep 1870  Sugden  Emily     London C.  1c 25


1881 census RG11 374 folio 9
22 Hayne Court St Sepulchre City of London
William Sudgen 58 Head Married Artifial florist Dorking
Harriet Sudgen 48 Wife Married  Artifical florist City London
Arthur Sudgen 15 Son City London
James Sudgen 13 Son City London
Emily Sudgen 10 Daughter City London
plus 7 lodgers


Deaths Jun 1881  Sugden  Harriet  47  London C.  1c 13


The only possible death registration for William in London would be this one

Deaths Dec 1884 SUGDEN  William  61  Poplar  1c 406


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Valda
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Re: Sugden
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 01 August 10 16:46 BST (UK) »
Hi

1851 census HO107 1500 folio 231
23 Pulney? Street Islington
Margaret Rawlins 82 Lodger Middlesex
Louisa Rawlins 12 Lodger Middlesex

Deaths Dec 1852   Rawlinson  Margaret     Islington  1b 11[35]


Louisa Rawlins is presumably the Louisa Sugden with Margaret (and daughter Rachel?) on the 1841 census

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1841 census HO107 664/14 folio 36
BrunswicK Grove Islington
Margaret Rawlinson 72 Artificial florist
Rachal Rawlinson 30 Artificial florist
Louisa Sugden 2
all born Middlesex

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1839 Oct 20, Louisa Jane, d/o Samuel & Rachel SUGDEN, 31 Rodney St, Florist, born 1839 Jun 13


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Re: Sugden
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 01 August 10 19:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks a million, Valda, that's opened up a lot of stuff to look at!

I did find once what I thought were the parents of Samuel, born in 1770 in Shoreditch, St Leonards - and they are Samuel and Elizabeth Sugden who in 1766 in St Stephens Coleman Street had a daughter Elizabeth, followed by birth of John in  January 1768 in St Leonards Shoreditch, their address given as Worship Street, followed by Samuel ( again Worship Street) in 1770 also in St Leonards, finally Fanny in September 1772 in St Botolphs without Aldersgate, born 27 August.
 These are likely to be the siblings of Samuel I think?
Thanks again!
Phil S.

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Re: Sugden
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 01 August 10 22:07 BST (UK) »
Hi I remember seeing your line in my research but didn't know that's who you descended from. Samuel and Elizabeth ............... are on my line they may also be on yours. My line goes down throught their son Samuel who married sarah Hutchinson, then down to Samuel Sugden who married Frances Elizabeth Linsell.

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Re: Sugden
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 01 August 10 22:27 BST (UK) »
Didn't your Samuel marry EMMA Elizabeth Linsell- not Frances???

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Re: Sugden
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 01 August 10 22:39 BST (UK) »
Hi

Just to slip this in to complete the Rawlinson census connection

1861 census RG9 150 folio 93
2 Landseer Road Islington
Margaret Rawlinson 59 Head Unmarried Nurse to formerly artificial flower maker Shoreditch Middlesex
Mary Ann Sugden 27 Niece Invalid } Kept by father St Pancras Middlesex
plus 1 house maid


Deaths Mar 1870  Sugden  Mary Ann  36  Islington  1b 237


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