Sugden

[sugsy]

Hi Lisa B,

I'm looking into my ancestor Sam who was the flower maker, and a cousin of mine once mentioned the fur business but I never managed to fins out any more. I was wondering where you heard about it?

Do keep in touch.
Phil Sugden

[Lisa B]

Hi my ancester is Samuel Sugden the flower maker and Fur business owner. The line I am talking about here in this post is the same family line.

[sugsy]

Hi,
Thanks for the reply.Samuel was my gt.gt.gt,etc, grand uncle, who I know was a maker of artificial flowers. But I'm not sure about the fur connection - can you remember where you heard about that trade? I can't find any records of a Sugden fur company?

Cheers

Phil S.

[Lisa B]

Hi I first picked it up in the 1841 Census records. So after a bit of research I found the business was called Sugden Son and Nephew from memory. It was my Grt Grt Grt Grandfather Samuel who started the fur part of the business in Middlesex after he left Leeds Yorkshire. Prior to that the Sugdens were in to flowers. From what I know the Sugdens produced very good quality furs and feathers for upper society. Samuel was a very wealthy man. So he must have been good at the trade. Samual's father was also called Samuel.

[sugsy]

Hi Lisa,

Thanks for the reply. Are you a Sugden or a Linsell, as I noticed you mentioned that line as well? My direct family through my family runs out in Dorking, where I can't find a reference to the father's death. On one census he's alive, then 10 uears later his wife is a widow but I can't find any reference to his death in any of the registers for the decade in between, which is strange. Unless he died abroad I suppose, which I've only just thought of!

Phil

[Lisa B]

Hi do you mean surname?
My Grt grandmother was a Sugden and her name was Gladys Mary Sugden born Middlesex. Her father was Albert Sydney Sugden, his father was Samuel Sugden (The fur man) who married Frances Elizabeth Linsell. Who was your ancestor how was he nephew to Samuel? I might have some info that can help!

[Valda]

Hi

1891 census RG12 620 folio 119
34 Church Road Richmond Surrey
Albert S Sugden 26  Head Married Living on own means Southgate Middlesex
Annie Sugden 20 Wife Married Living on own means Moulton Lincolnshire
Gladys M Sugden 1 Daughter Moulton Lincolnshire
plus 1 domestic nurse also from Moulton

12th December 1864 St Paul, Edmonton
Albert Sidney Sugden parents Samuel and Emma Elizabeth


1871 census RG10 1342 folio 32
Oak Lodge Chase Road Edmonton
Samuel Sugden 70  Head Married Merchant Feathers at Aldermanbury Leeds Yorkshire
Emma E Sugden 44 Wife Married  City Middlesex
Annie Maria Sugden 18 Daughter Southgate Middlesex
Kate Eleanor Sugden 9 Daughter Southgate Middlesex
Albert Sydney Sugden 6 Son Southgate Middlesex
Edwin Percy Sugden 4 Southgate Middlesex
plus 4 servants

Marriages Dec 1848   
Linsell  Emma Elizabeth    Edmonton  3 127   
SUGDEN  Samuel     Edmonton  3 127


1871 census RG10 1336 folio 13
Oakfield Villa Crouch End Hill Hornsey
Samuel Sugden 42  Head Married Merchant London
Frances Sugden 43  Wife Married Exeter Devon
Samuel E Sugden 18 Son Warehouseman Hornsey Middlesex
Frances Sugden 16  Daughter Hornsey Middlesex
Alfred H Sugden 14  Son Hornsey Middlesex
Walter G Sugden 12  Son Hornsey Middlesex
Frederic M Sugden 10  Son Hornsey Middlesex
Ada E Sugden 7 Daughter Hornsey Middlesex
Jessee Sugden 5 Daughter Hornsey Middlesex
plus 3 sevants

Marriages Dec 1852   
BACK  Francis    Clerkenwell  1b 668   
SUGDEN  Samuel     Clerkenwell  1b 668


and Dorking

1841 census HO107 1081/7 folio 18
Chopstick Place South Street Dorking Surrey
Wm Sugden 47 Labourer not born Surrey
Sarah Sugden 47 not born Surrey
Sarah Sugden 12 born Surrey


1851 census HO107 1598 folio
Church Street Dorking Surrey
Sarah Sugden 58 Head Widow School Mistress Dame School Wakefield Yorkshire
Sarah Sugden jun 20 Dorking Surrey

13th May 1859 Dorking Cemetery
Sarah Sugden aged 65


This burial would fit for William for age

St James, Pentonville Islington 31st March 1844
William Sugden aged 50 Rodney Street

Deaths Mar 1844   
SUGDEN  William    Clerkenwell  3 101


same address as the previously given 1841 census and burial

1841 census HO107 662/3 folio 33
Rodney Street Clerkenwell
Samuel Sugden 70 Florist born Middlesex
Sarah Sugden 30 Florist not born Middlesex
living in the samehouse with the Watts family John and Ann and children

A Samuel Sugden was buried at St James Pentonville 27th November 1841 aged 72, of Rodney Street

The other Sugden burial at the same church

St James, Pentonville 5th November 1843
Elizabeth Sugden 55 years  St Mary Aldermanbury

Deaths Dec 1843   
SUGDEN  Elizabeth     London  2 140


1841 census HO107 722/2 folio 5
16 Aldermanbury St Mary Aldermanbury City of London
Maria Sugden 15 born in county
Elizth Sugden 50 not born in county
Adult ages, those over 15, ususally rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census


22nd May 1822 St Sepulchre Holborn
Maria Sugden parents Samuel and Elizabeth, No 5 Angel Court, father's occupation Artificail flower maker



Regards

Valda

[Lisa B]

Hi Valda thanks for all the info. Thats right Gladys was born in Linconshire. Samual moved to Southgate and had some children there.

[sugsy]

Hi Valda and Lisa B !

Thanks very much for the info on Dorking! I don't know how I missed William dying in London - I spent hours trawling through the BMD records for the decade between 1841 and 1851, but that was quite a few years ago when I did it. I'll have to go back through my notes and try and piece it all together! Thanks again! I'll try and get the death cert for William although that won't give info on his father, etc.

Lisa - I guess that makes us cousins? How many times removed I don't know!! I'll dig out my notes as I can't quite remember how William fits in the Sugden lineage, although I know that Samuel was my ( gt, x ? times ) uncle so I'll look it all up and let you know.
Cheers
Phil S.