Sugden

[Lisa B]

I think I have just figured out what is happening here. The Elizabeth you are mentioning here is the first wife of Samuel Sugden born 1798 Leeds. I couldn't figure out the dates and how everyone fitted in then the penny dropped.This is Elizabeth (nee Morse) Samuel's first wife. My ancestor Samuel's son, Albert was born in 1865 years latter by his second wife Emma Linsell, who was about 20 years or so younger. I thought that Louisa and Mary Ann were born to Elizabeth Morse and this is what you have just shown in your last post. I thought you were talking about the earlier Samuel Sugden who also married an Elizabeth but I couldn't fit in the dates so thought I must have mixed up generations some were. Lisa

[sugsy]

Hi Lisa,

Did  you attach a will? I can't actually see an attachment?

My dad's line comes through William who was the brother of Samuel ( married to E.Morse, she died in 1843). So that makes Samuel my gt.gt.gt.uncle, I think.
My gt.gt.gt.gt.grandfather is Samuel born 1770 Shoreditch, married to sarah Hutchinson.
Phil

[sugsy]

HI Valda and Lisa,

I think the fater of Louisa is most likely to be Samuel  born 1798, wife to E.Morse. On 1841 census for Hornsey, he is 40, and Margaret ( Rachel's sister) is living in the same house. Rachel was about 30 at that time so the age difference is not so great.

Valda, did you say that Elizabeth was at 12 Aldermanbury on the 1841 census?
Phil

[sugsy]

Valda,

I'm pretty sure that the Samuel and Elizabeth Sugden I mentioned in an earlier post ( living in Worship Street in 1766) are the probable ( possible!) parents of Samuel born 1770 in Shoreditch.

I'm not sure how to start going back further or finding out more information about them. Any tips on where I could start looking, as obviously paper redords start getting a bit thin before 1800 !

Grateful for any tips at all!
Thanks
Phil S.

[Valda]

Hi

A will would be too big to attach to this a post. It would have to be sent by exchanging emails through the pm system (do not put email addresses on the posts please)

1841 census HO107 722/2 folio 5
16 Aldermanbury St Mary Aldermanbury City of London
Maria Sugden 15 born in county
Elizth Sugden 50 not born in county
Adult ages, those over 15, ususally rounded down to the nearest 5 on the 1841 census

1841 census HO107 663/4 folio 53
Crouch End Hornsey
Saml Sugden 40 Warehouseman not born in county
Elizabeth Sugden 15 born in county
Emily Sugden 11 born in county
Mary Sugden 7 born in county
John Sugden 65 born in county 
Margaret Rawlinson 35 F S born in county
two other servants

Baptisms at St Leonards Shoreditch

SAMUEL SUGDEN
Birth:  23 MAY 1770   
Christening:  24 JUN 1770   Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London
Father:  SAMUEL SUGDEN 
Mother:  ELISABETH 

JOHN SUGDEN 
Birth:  29 DEC 1767   
Christening:  17 JAN 1768   Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London,
Father:  SAMUEL SUGDEN 
Mother:  ELISABETH 

possible siblings

ELIZABETH SUGDEN Pedigree
Christening:  02 MAR 1766   Saint Stephan Coleman Street, London
Father:  SAMUEL SUGDEN 
Mother:  ELIZABETH     

FANNY SUGDEN 
Christening:  04 SEP 1772   Saint Botolph Without Aldersgate, London
Father:  SAML. SUGDEN   
Mother:  ELIZ. 


further information may or may not be given in the registers for baptisms this early but you might expect an address for all of them.   


A possible marriage

22nd May 1764 St Leonard Shoreditch
Samuel Sugden widower of the parish
Elizabeth Eyers spinster of the parish
married by banns
Elizabeth made her mark
Witnesses J? Goodfellow and Eli ?


There is a Samuel Sugden PCC will but it is in Bloomsbury and there appears to be possibly another Samuel Sugden marrying there (signatures on marriages look different). The wills held at the Guildhall Library for the Commissary Court of London have no online index.


Regards

Valda

[sugsy]

Thanks loads Valda. Will investigate further!

Phil S.

[Lisa B]

Keep in touch Phil. Seems we are closely related.

[Lisa B]

Valda if possible can you check up for me on the father of Sarah Hutchinson? I believe his name was Anthony but I don't have a mother's name. Lisa

[Valda]

Hi

I can only check the IGI (International GenealogicaL Index) Family Search which is free for anyone to search


http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true

or

http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1204024901500#start


Regards

Valda