Emma Ord

[lions2001]

Emma Ord came to Australia on the "Lizzie Webber" which left Sunderland in July 1852 arriving Port Phillip Bay Victoria Australia December 1852.  On the passenger list she is travelling with a Robert Ord listed as her husband and three children.  I cannot find a marriage for her and Robert Ord, born 1814 in Sunderland.  I have located Emma in the 1851 census living in Sunderland with an Isbella Hudson, who I think may be her sister.  How would I be able to find out their maiden names.  Emma died in Hobart Tasmania in 1854.  I have no idea what happened to her children.  I do know that Robert Ord returned to England around 1863 and died in Sunderland in 1874.  I have found a marriage for him in 1851 to a Margaret Moon.  She died in 1896.  This Robert Ord is proving to be a mystery...Can anyone help?   Thank you

[sillgen]

Hi and welcome to rootschat
Were any of the children for Emma or Isabella born after 1837?  If so a birth certificate should give the mother's maiden name.  However, the Emma shown in 1851 with Isabella is unmarried.   
Regards
Andrea

[Dazey999]

As Emma died in 1854 in Tasmania, I don't think the 1851 marriage in Sunderland to Margaret Moon can be your Robert?  Especially as Emma's death notice in the The Courier (Hobart) describes her as the wife of Robert Ord.  I found a marriage in Sunderland in 1845 of a Robert Ord to a Margaret Scott - but, like you, cannot find a marriage to an Emma.  Dazey

[Ruskie]

Does the passenger record give ages of Robert and Emma and names and ages for the children?

I don't suppose death certificates at this time give details such as parent's names?

If you were able to locate their children you may find Emma's maiden name on their marriage or death certificates (this would be a question to post on the Australia board).

[sillgen]

I think Ruskie is right and we need to establish whether the children with the Emma in 1851 are the same ones who travelled out with them.  If not that may be a complete red herring.
Does the Robert who married Margaret shows up in England on later census - eg 1861.
Andrea

[Radcliff]

Do you know the children's names or dates of birth,

Robert Ord and a  Emma have  two children listed on familysearchorg,

Ada Isabella Ord 23 rd July 1851 Houghton Le Spring,

Elizabeth Ord 15TH September 1845 Bishopswearmouth,

Robert Ord  and Margaret Walker Scott a widow when married, also have two children listed

Robert 18Th July 1853 Bishopswearmouth,

Caroline 4th October 1854,Bishopswearmouth

Which need to be checked out properly ,but which ones

[Radcliff]

The Emma Ord
visiting Isabella Hudson was born in Woolwhich Kent,

 her two children are

Elizabeth 6

Emma 1 1/2

both children born Durham.

I cant read the street address ,
Bishopswearmouth ,
St Michael,
Sunderland,
 it doesn't mention that they are related to Isabella who is a mariners wife ,he her husband is away at sea,

[sillgen]

I thought it was significant that both Isabella and Emma were born in the same place but it does not prove any sort of relationship of course. 
The second child of Robert and Emma may have been born after the 1851 census.  We will just have to wait for a response from lions2001 I think before we speculate further.
Andrea

[lions2001]

Hello to you all and thank you.  All of your information has been helpful and as with all family history creates more questions.
There were three children listed on the Lizzie Webber with Emma and Robert Ord, Emma Indria listed as a child, Elizabeth Bertha again listed as a child, I did have her birth date and it is the same as the one given by you and Ada Isabel aged 1. I have never found a birth date for Emma Indria, did know that Ada was born in Hougton Le Spring.  Regarding the passenger list on the Lizzie Webber I am able to access the original list from my city library where I live in Australia, and I am sure that this will give me more detailed information.  Time permitting will research this next week.
Regarding Robert Ord there is one listed in the 1861 census as living in Bristol and born in Newcastle.  I do know that my Robert Ord was born in Sunderland.
In th 1861 Census there is as Margaret Ord, ship owners wife living in Sunderland.  Both Margaret and Robert are in the 1871 Census living in Sunderland.
I have wondered if there are two Robert Ord's. Mine is the youngest son of Robert Ord and Ann Bell. 
I have published my tree on Ancestry.com.au  Title Robert Ord.  Again thank you