Irish immigrants to UK

[Arranroots]

Lynn

You are quite right I missed off the "born Cleator" for Mary SLOAN.  Maybe I placed too much emphasis on the location in trying to find them?  All the others just said Ireland, I'm afraid - v annoying!

I agree that these are not ideal, but rather a "best fit".   I can have another go at looking for James if you like.  The other candidate (from what I remember anyway!) was a boarder in the Liverpool area, but I haven't written anything down and am relying on my memory - never a safe bet!   

Arranroots 

[pcoups]

Again thanks a million.
I'm a bit of a learner as things go so am not too sure how to go about checking if this or that family is the one. I suppose the way to go would be to attempt to get hold of the 2 marriage certificates for James SLOAN/TAYLOR.
Would you by any chance know if a name change would be registered anywhere..........would these documents be available?
I do know the family were avid Liverpool supporters (soccer) even though the offspring of James lived in South Africa.
Thanks
Lynn

[Arranroots]

Hi again Lynn

Here's the official word on changing names - as it applied in UK anyway!

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/pathways/familyhistory/gallery5/name.htm

I would certainly invest in the marrriage certs (prob the later one first as an economy!!)

If we are assuming that James is unmarried in 1861 (most likely scenario) then I don't know how to prove that any one candidate is better than the other.  One of those annoying things.

Would the documentation of the children who went to SA have their father's place of birth?  Just a thought.

Arranroots 

[Arranroots]

HEY!

Just Googled and look what I came up with!!  Looks like you two have some talking to do?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,31041.0.html

Arranroots 

[pcoups]

I'll apply for the marriage certificates.
I'll work on the name change. The address you sent me refers to a cd available at the family library............bit too far for me ..... I'm in Australia.
Unfortunately the South African death notices left the info up to the person reporting the death. A good % of the time if the deceased didn't speak Afrikaans .........the place of birth is just England.

[pcoups]

Just search free BDM Uk and Ancestry.com for the marriages .... no luck

[pcoups]

Received James Henry SLOAN's marriage certificate to Margaret McANALLY today. They were married 10 Nov 1867 Whitehaven.
James Henry's age is 22. Margaret's is 26.
Additional info ............ Jame's surname is spelt SLONEHis father is Patrick SLONE born Ireland - deceased at time of James' marriage in 1867. Patrick's occupation is listed as 'labourer'
Please if anyone can help with this info to find James Henry and family in the 1851/1861 census. James should be 16 years old in 1861, or in 1851 ... 6yrs old.

[Mobo]

 

Hi pc !

thought you might be interested in the following link.  It could be of some help, perhaps.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,78216.0.html

 

[aj]

Hello-

I'm new here  and quite new to all of this! I have read this thread with interest and found it really helpful. I have a few questions and hope someone can help... long post to follow..


Sorry to resart an old thread but it has been really useful to me!I have posted this on the link mentioned above and have also pasted it here- sorry I don't know how to do links!

1. I know my family are living in Cockermouth Cumbria from 1841 census, they are listed as from Ireland...yawn..it seems like here I have the same problems as many of you describe in the thread!

I have searched surrounding addresses and have found people with the same name and others born in Ireland and some listed as born in Down and Armagh.

Is it a safe assumption that my gang also came from one of these Counties? (I am making that assumption based on advice /experience mentioned in this thread).

2. Re getting to Cockermouth-  I am also assuming that my family went there direcly from Ireland rather than via Liverpool. Do you think this is a reasonable assumption?

I am basing this idea on the back of there seeming to be various  trade and other routes fromBelfast area to Scotland, Whitehaven etc at the time of their arrival- Famine years probably 1837 (daughter born in Cockermouth registered as age 3 on the 1841 census). Also my gang were weavers in Cockermouth- there seem to have been trade links re flax in Ireland? Maybe this was the connection re Cockermouth flax merchants?
Would you be thinking along the same lines?

3. i have no idea re there religion- I am tracing my Dad's ancestors- we, he, and his family seem to have had no religious affiliation. Can I make any assumptions re if they came from Armagh or Down? If so how do I proceed to trace them whilst still in Ireland?

4.There are various census and certificate versions of their name- Row/Roe / Rowe? Can the name help me in any way re Irish ancestry and denomination or area of origin?

5. I had a great time visiting Cockermouth whilst on holiday last year! I had a look at and found out about how horrible the area where they lived was back then, but got nowhere re appropriate records, visiting graveyards etc (twas an all too short visit!). Any advice re specific records I should look for? These could be in Cockermouth,also if I get that far searching in Ireland- I intend to do a holiday later in the year so would really like to know where to proceed next in my search!

6. Finally...!  Any ideas in light of above re tracing the earliest of the Row / Roe etc gang- Solomon and Mary both born around 1799? (Ireland!) And can I draw any info re religion from their names?

What can I say other than thanks for reading and for any advice!

Best wishes

Amanda